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Purely out of interest..................
Name John Richard Hartley
Gender Male
Birth Place Eccleshill Near Bradford
Event Date 13 Mar 1882
Residence Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
Father William Hartley
Mother Hannah Hartley
Record Type Discharge
Volume Date Range 1874 - 1885
Reference Number LC/SS1/8/2-4
Register Numbers 405-968
Institution East Moor Community Home School
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It's easier to understand info if we see the records in question.............
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
36, Great Cross Street, Bradford, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England
John R Hartley Head Married Male 34 1867 Iron broker Bradford, England
Clara Hartley Wife Married Female 29 1872 Wool comber Leeds, England
1911 Census For England & Wales
185 New Hey Road Bradford, Bradford, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England
William Hartley Head Married Male 72 1839 Police pensioner Yorks Eccleshill Bfd
Hannah Hartley Wife Married Female 69 1842 - Yorks Otley
John Richard Hartley Son Married Male 44 1867 Metal broker Yorks Eccleshill Bfd
Frederick William Hartley Son Single Male 32 1879 Boot repairer Yorks Bradford
Married 25 years 2 living children (crossed out as the info should be attached only to a woman)
Marriages Jun 1885 (>99%)
HARTLEY John Richard Bradford Y. 9b 298
WHITEHOUSE Sarah Rebecca Bradford, Y. 9b 298
HARTLEY, ERNEST WHITEHOUSE
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in BRADFORD, YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 70
HARTLEY, FLORENCE WHITEHOUSE
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 24
1921 Census Of England & Wales
1, Windsor Street, Bradford, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
John Hartley Head Male 1867 54 Eccleshill, Bradford, Yorkshire, England Broker Metal Own Account
Charlie Senior Boarder Male 1865 55 Bradford, Yorkshire, England General Dealer Metals & C Own Account
John says he is 'married'
Who registered his death?
Name John R Hartley
Death Age 59
Birth Date abt 1867
Registration Date 1926
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Bradford
Inferred County Yorkshire West Riding
Volume 9b
Page 223
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This is long story! Please bear with me so I can give you all the info I have and then pose the questions I am trying to answer :-)
In the 1891 census at 6 Poplar Terrace Balsall Heath.....
Eliza Dunford Head 57 Widowed
Richard Dunford Son 13 single
John Cox Son 21 Married
Sarah Hartley Daughter 31 Married
Albert Hartley Son 1 Single
Poplar Terrace is a place where loads of my ancestors have lived. Eliza is my gg grandmother. Born Lashford. She first married Henry Cox and had 5 children:
Sarah Ann 1857, Herbert Alfred 1862, Frances Jane 1865, Thomas Henry 1867 (died 1868) and John James 1870.
Henry, a boatman died in an accident on the Severn in 1872 and Eliza remarried in 1877 to Richard Dunford who sadly died in 1879. They had one son Richard James 1878.
So that identifies most of the people present at the census although John was not married and Sarah was 34.
Albert Hartley is HER son not Eliza's.
I purchased his birth certificate which came back as
DOB 17/12/1889 in Bradford. Father John Richard Hartley, a carter, mother Sarah Hartley formerly Cox.
In 1901, Albert is living in Lower Mitton, Stourport. Aged 11, he is the nephew of the head Isaiah Jones, wife Annie. Annie is Ann Lashford, Eliza's sister. Also present is Alice "Louie" who is Alice Lowe one of Ann's children from her first marriage. So family provenance holds up.
So I turned my attention to John Richard Hartley. Born 21/10/1866 in Eccleshill, Bradford. Baptised on 28/01/1869 at Eccleshill St Luke. Mother's maiden name Nicholson which ties in with Albert's middle name.
And here's where the mystery starts...
In 1891 he is at home with his parents and brothers at the Policeman's Lodge, Bowling Park Bradford. Shown as married but no wife with him.
In 1901 he is in Bradford aged 34 with wife Clara born in Leeds around 1872 (she is 29)
In 1911 he is back with his parents and a brother. Entry shows married for 25 years 2 children both living (crossed out). No wife or kids.
In 1921, he's still in Bradford.
I cannot find a marriage to Sarah Cox. After that 1891 census, she is shown as widowed and living in the Worcestershire/Warwickshire area until her death in 1926.
Curiously her death certificate shows her as widow of Albert Hartley (her son) but the informant was her sister-in-law so may have got this wrong.
So to go back to John Richard Hartley in the censuses, he is John R or John Richard in all except 1921 when he is plain John . In all censuses he has birthplace of Eccleshill EXCEPT 1901 with Clara. where it is Bradford St Peter.
Question 1 - IS THIS THE SAME MAN?
I can't find another John R birth so it must be??? I can't identify Clara. Cross referencing John Hartley marriages with Claras brings up a few but none fit with a birth in Leeds in 1872. There is a Clara from Leeds that fits a marriage but she was born in 1863
And here's another twist. Don't ask me why I bought it (I can't remember) but I have a marriage certificate between John Richard Hartley on 04/04/1885 to Sarah Rebecca Whitehouse aged 21. It's definitely him.. father William a policeman. Address at time of marriage Bowling Park Lodge. I suspect I bought it to see if Sarah was Sarah Cox but she is a spinster.
Question 2 - WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS SARAH?
Was it she that had two children?
Her parents were Thomas and Eliza Ann. I only "discovered" this certificate yesterday so my research is very scant!
Hope I haven't bored you too much! Look forward to any thoughts
As ever
Jude
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