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As requested earlier, further details from the marriage cert would be helpful……..the groom’s occupation, the bride’s occupation, his ‘status’ and the addresses of both parties. The witnesses’ names may also be useful.

Also, you have still not explained why there is a reference to the name ‘CLARK’ in your original post.

We don’t ask for the additional info out of idle curiosity - every snippet COULD help us to help you .

Hi ErikaH,
I believe the above info you sent me is correct,i will try and gain more info from Peter when i next see him.
Once again many thanks for your help.
G Ford

Place of birth should be on both death certs - assuming the info was known to the informants and is accurate

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First name(s) Jacqueline
Address Hotel, Victoria Lodge, 20, St. Thomas Street, Ryde, Isle Of Wight, PO33 2DL
Last name Royce
District Ryde
Year 2002-04
Region South East
House number 20
Occupancy (years) 3
House name Victoria Lodge
Other occupants - DELETED
Street St. Thomas Street
Electoral rolls 2002, 2003, 2004
Town Ryde
Record set UK Electoral Registers & Companies House Directors
County Isle of Wight
Category Census, land & surveys
Country England
Subcategory Electoral Rolls
Postcode PO33 2DL

OR..........

First name(s) Jacqueline
District Ryde
Last name Royce
Region South East
Year 2003
Occupancy (years) 1
House number 85
Other occupants DELETED
Street George Street
Electoral rolls 2003
Town Ryde
Record set UK Electoral Registers & Companies House Directors
County Isle of Wight
Category Census, land & surveys
Country England
Subcategory Electoral Rolls
Postcode PO33 2JE
Collections from Great Britain, England
Address Northfield Residential Home, 85, George Street, Ryde, Isle Of Wight, PO33 2JE

I wonder whether Peter can tell us if either of his parents had a non-English accent?

Perhaps they were both adopted - or one adopted and the other born overseas - who knows?!

From one of Glenn's posts, it seems that Peter is most interested in his father.
I wonder if his parents separated when he was very young??

Perhaps "Clark" is the clue.

Glenn, ErikaH asked you how that name fits in.
Please will you explain?

Also, what was the groom's occupation in 1948?
And the couple's address(es)?

I’ve had a pm too. I was hoping the ages on the certificate would differ, so to give us a wider date range. But it was 24 and 38. So no help.

It does seem strange that Peter doesn’t know where his parents were born. I am in the general age range and remember needing all sorts of information about my parents when applying for jobs.

As the marriage was 1948 it could mean that they met in the services and actually came from overseas, but that would make them staying in the UK odd. Maybe they changed their names.

This maybe one of those occasions where a dna test might help.

For interest - there was a Peppiat family in London in 1911 but I can’t link them to Herbert,

PM received. Peter is indeed the ‘very elderly’ man. Not sure where that leaves me as I’m ten years his senior :-S :-S :-S

One has to wonder how he is so unaware of his parents’ backgrounds - it’s very strange that he doesn’t apparently even know where they were born

I asked Glenn to give the additional info from the marriage certificate…..on here

What ages were given on the Robert & Jacqueline marriage certificates.

Fingers crossed that it doesn’t say Of Full Age?

No record on any census for Herbert Peppiatt with his supposed occupation - not surprising as there is no recorded birth for the woman who married Royce

There is a Robert Royce, carpenter, on censuses, but he and his wife had only one child………a daughter.

Glenn

Using www.freebmd.org.uk ( it’s free as per the name) and putting in surname Pepp* first name Herbert I could see there have been several Herbert Peppiatts.

Try this yourself and see if you can work out the right one

Most libraries in the UK now have free access to Ancestry and sometimes Find MyPast - this could be very helpful to you. Herbert should hopefully show up on the 1939 register - but his children may not show names.

Who was the father of your ‘very elderly’ friend?

You haven’t answered my query about the name CLARK

What was the GROOM’s occupation?

What addresses did the couple give?

Dear Friends,
Just a very quick update
Have been given marriage certificate of Robert and Jacqueline which took place on 11/10 /1948 Stoke Newington Register Office
Sadly both fathers had passed and they were known as Herbert Peppiatt,Journeyman Cabinet Maker and Robert Arthur Royce, Carpenter.
I will try and add a little more should i find leads.

I wonder where Herbert Peppiatt came from as this is unusual Sir Name.
Once again thank you for your valued help ,
Glenn.

;-) ;-) ;-)

If you mean that Robert is your friend's father, I wonder if your friend thinks that 75 is "very elderly" !

It's all relative!

If you need further assistance, Glenn, post the name of the father of the ‘very elderly’ person you are trying help, and say when the father died, and where

FMP has a record of a Robert A Royce born 1912 enlisting in the forces in California

ADDED 11.17

First name(s) Robert A
Event place Berkeley California
Last name Royce
Country United States
Birth year 1912
Residence California
Service number 19119139
View the original source View the record's source
Rank Private
Original source World War Ii Army Enlistment Records
Regiment -
Record set World War 2 Allies Collection
Year 1942
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Attestation year 1942
Subcategory Second World War
Event date 16 Jul 1942

Absolutely no idea if relevant.

Just to add, in case it's of interest:

On Electoral Rolls -

In 1949 - 50, Jacqueline and Robert were listed at 34 Woodlea road, Stoke Newington.

In 1953-57, they were listed at 7 Earlsmead Road, Tottenham.

1965 - 72 they were at 20 Stamford Road, West Ham.
Their son is listed with them in 1970 - 72.


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England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Death, Burial, Cemetery & Obituaries
Name Robert Arthur Royce
Birth 27 Jul 1910
Death Feb 1990 Isle of Wight, Isle of Wight, England and Wales


ROYCE, ROBERT ARTHUR 1910
GRO Reference: DOR Q1/1990 in ISLE OF WIGHT (5561A) Volume 20 Page 2247

I don't see his birth in England/Wales/Scotland.


Strangely, this Probate record says he died in 1994 - a typo??:

Royce, Robert Arthur, of 87 St John's Road, Ryde, IOW, died 11 February 1994.
Administration 22 March [1995 ] Winchester. Not exceeding £125000. 9552408238W

Thank you all for your very valued help,which i shall pass on tomorrow.

A very elderly gentleman asked if i could help him with his tree of which he has no knowledge off,,especially has he is an only child.
He would very much like more info regarding his late farther and his descendants.

Once again thank you so much for your help and pointing me in the right direction..
G M Ford

They had a son, born in 1950.

Perhaps he is the informant on her death cert . If so, his address will be given.

As Jacqueline's death was registered in Portsmouth, her son may be the man on the Gosport ER in 2003-2007.


ROYCE, JACQUELINE VIOLET 1924
GRO Reference: DOR Q1/2003 in PORTSMOUTH (4971A) Reg A67A Entry Number 140