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William Garnett was not the father of Mary Ann - she claimed that her father’s name was Robert , but that is unlikely to have been true - as per earlier posts on here.

ErikaH.
Thank you for your help.
Such a bag of worms.
Pat.

Have you considered getting the digital image of the birth certificate of the illegitimate Mary Ann?

Probably the baptism of the illegitimate Mary Anne:

Mary Anne Garnett
in the England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980
Name Mary Anne Garnett
Gender Female
Christening Age 0
Birth Date 26 Apr 1852
Christening Date 11 Jul 1852
Christening Place Kendal, Westmorland, England
Mother
Agnes Garnett

There are numerous Agnes Garnetts of child-bearing age in Kendal in 1851........the birth cert should have an address, which may prove illuminating, although, obviously it's all conjecture.

'Teptomas' (1841 census) is Septimus

Thank you for your advice. I will look further.
Lots of Garnett’s in Westmorland and very prolific. Such a lot of Garnett’s called John, William and Robert. Septimus is certainly a new one.
Pat.

Septimus was ATKINSON

NO Robert Garnett anywhere with the occupation claimed by Mary when she married (as posted before)

Thank you

Running with the illegitimate birth for the moment -

This Agnes Garnett looks to me like a feasible candidate - although of course conjecture:

Agnes Garnett
in the 1851 England Census
Name Agnes Garnett
Age 21
Estimated Birth Year abt 1830
Relation Servant
Gender Female
Where born Hartham, Westmorland, England
[Heversham, Westmorland, England]
Civil parish Kendal
Ecclesiastical parish Chester
Town Kendal
County/Island Westmorland
Country England
Registration District Kendal
Sub-registration district Kendal
ED, institution, or vessel 2e
Neighbors View others on page
Household schedule number 73
Piece 2442
Folio 122
Page number 16
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
William Wilkenson 40 Head
Agnes Wilkenson 41 Wife
Agnes Garnett 21 Servant

In 1841 she was with her unmarried mother Eleanor [Jane Eleanor ] and younger brothers Richard and Joseph, in Kirkby Lonsdale

In 1861 she was in Kirkby Lonsdale, as servant to the Atkinson family.
Her 12-yr-old illegitimate son Isaac (baptised 12 Aug 1849) was also a servant in that household. in 1861.

(In 1851, baby Isaac was an "other relative" with James and Ellenor (nee Mason) Eggels [ie - Eccles] and their sons, in Lupton, Westmorland.)


Isaac Garnett
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name Isaac Garnett
Gender Male
Baptism Date 12 Aug 1849
Baptism Place Hutton-Roof, Westmorland, England
Mother
Agnes Garnett
FHL Film Number 1471666
Reference ID item 2 p 64


I don't see Agnes definitely after 1861.

Yes - that's the right Agnes.

Mary Ann is with the Eccles family in 1861:

Mary Ann Zarnett [Garnett ]
in the 1861 England Census
Name Mary Ann Zarnett [Garnett]
Gender Female
Age 8
Relation Lodger
Estimated Birth Year 1853
Where born Aulmthrope [Milnthorpe ], Westmorland, England
Civil parish Lupton
County/Island Westmorland
Country England
Registration District Kendal
Sub-registration district Kirkby Lonsdale
ED, institution, or vessel 10
Neighbors
Household schedule number 34
Piece 3968
Folio 50
Page number 9
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
James Ecclls 56 Head
Ellen Ecclls 50 Wife
Edward Ecclls 11 Son
Martha Ecclls 9 Daughter
Fanny Ecclls 6 Daughter
Mary Ann Zarnett 8 Lodger

It doesn't prove she's YOUR Mary Ann, of course - though yours did have a daughter named Ellen.
Could be after Ellen/Eleanor Eccles, or after Agnes's mother Eleanor - but it's a common name.

Mary Ann Garnett
in the 1871 England Census
Name Mary Ann Garnett
Age 18
Estimated Birth Year 1853
Relation Servant
Gender Female
Where born Kendal, Westmorland, England
Civil parish Kendal
Ecclesiastical parish St George
Town Kendal
County/Island Westmorland
Country England
Registration District Kendal
Sub-registration district Kendal
ED, institution, or vessel 17
Household schedule number 14
Piece 5288
Folio 84
Page number 3
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Bolton 33 Head
Agnes Bolton 37 Wife
Annie Bolton 5 Daughter
Agness Bolton 4 Daughter
John Edwd Bolton 3 Son
George Wilson Bolton 1 Son
Hannah Bolton 20 Servant
Mary Ann Garnett 18 Servant

Oh dear - she's possibly NOT your Mary Ann, after all!

That Mary Ann possibly married William Ireland -

Marriages Mar 1875 (>99%)
GARNETT Mary Ann Ulverston 8e 998
IRELAND William Ulverston 8e 998


Mary Ann Ireland
in the 1881 England Census
Name Mary Ann Ireland
Age 27
Estimated Birth Year abt 1854
Relationship to Head Wife
Spouse William Ireland
Gender Female
Where born Heversham, Westmorland, England
Civil parish Ulverston
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 12 Dale Street
Marital Status Married
Registration District Ulverston
ED, institution, or vessel 3
Neighbors
Piece 4277
Folio 75
Page number 40
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
William Ireland 26 Head
Mary Ann Ireland 27 Wife
Isaac J. Ireland 5 Son
Richard Ireland 4 Son
Thomas Ireland 2 Son
Jeannie Ireland Daughter


IRELAND, ISAAC JOHN mmn GARNETT
GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in ULVERSTON Volume 08E Page 770

IRELAND, JEANIE mmn GARNETT
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in ULVERSTON Volume 08E Page 710

IRELAND, MARY AGNES mmn GARNETT
GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in ULVERSTON Volume 08E Page 768

(And other children)


Died Ulverston , 1930. Probate to Elinor Ireland, spinster.


William Ireland's parents were Richard Ireland and Agnes (nee Dawes).

I know the best thing to do would be to apply for a birth certificate but Mary Ann Garnett is such a common name I might apply for the wrong one so I’ve put it on hold for the moment although I do like a challenge. I appreciate all the help received.
Pat

Her birth may not have been registered. No penalties until 1875.