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Hello Again, I have sent for the Birth certificate for Stanley and that is due next week, On the Marriage Cert dated the 08/06/1917 for Grace and Richard she indicates that her Father was a Charles Thomas McGee an Engineer and she was a "Munition worker" this was of course the middle of the 1914/18 war and that Richard was a "Cats Meat Dealer" as was his Father George William i do know that Richard (My Grandfather) was still selling this meat during the WW2.'
It is my intention to apply for the Marriage Cert for Stanley and Dorothy which you have kindly supplied the References for .the next step is to try and establish the names of the Children , any ideas on that would be appreciated.

Use freebmd to find births between their marriage and leaving the UK. Bear in mind that births during WW11 may Nat have taken place or registered in the areas you would expect.

As previously advised, the names of the children are easily found on freebmd

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl


Just put on the correct surnames for the parents and click ‘find’

NEW thread now posted on FLR

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1402009

??? Just a suggestion.

Perhaps this man was an engineer when not in the army:

Chas Thos Magee
in the UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Soldier Service Records, 1760-1920
Name Chas Thos Magee
Enlistment Age 36
Birth Date abt 1864
Birth Place New Zealand
Enlistment Year 1900
Regiment 3rd Middlesex Regiment
Regimental Number Middx/6374
Attestation Paper Yes


Charles Thomas McGee
in the UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Admissions and Discharges, 1715-1925
Name Charles Thomas McGee
Rank Sergeant Drummer
Discharge Age 41
Pension Age 41
Record Type register
Birth Date abt 1863
Birth Place New Zealand
Discharge Date 26 Sep 1904
pension date 29 Sep 1904
Regiment Middlesex
Regimental Number 6324


Grace McGee
in the 1901 England Census
Name Grace McGee
Age 3
Estimated Birth Year abt 1898
Relation to Head Daughter
Gender Female
Father Charles McGee
Mother Sarah McGee
Birth Place Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Woolwich
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Ecclesiastical parish St Mary
County/Island London
Country England
Registration district Woolwich
Sub-registration district Woolwich
ED, institution, or vessel Cambridge Barracks
Neighbors
Piece 568
Folio 125
Page number 6
Household schedule number 1
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Charles McGee 37 Head - New Zealand, Sgt Drummer, 3rd Middlesex Rgt.
Sarah McGee 33 Wife - Ireland
Catherine McGee 9 Daughter
Charles McGee 7 Son
Mary McGee 5 Daughter
Grace McGee 3 Daughter - Salford
Ann McGee 1 Daughter

All the children born in Lancashire.

MCGEE, GRACE mmn LOUGHRAN
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 116

Can't see any of the family in 1911.

In 1921 Charles Thomas is in Isleworth, Brentford, with Alice Esther Clegg 1874, Harry Charles Clegg 1902, William George Clegg 1907, and William Y Clegg 1868.



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Deaths Jun 1904 (>99%)
McGee Sarah Ann 37 Woolwich 1d 656

Maybe that's why Charles Thomas was discharged from the army in 1904.

1911 Census For England & Wales
28 Derby Road Hounslow, Isleworth, Middlesex, England
Charles T M Gee Head Widower Male 47 1864 Canvasser sewing machine co Newzealand
Charles Gee Son - Male 18 1893 Jockey Manchester Lancs
Mary Gee Dr - Female 16 1895 Servant domestic Manchester Lancs
Grace Gee Dr - Female 13 1898 School Manchester Lancs
Annie Gee Dr - Female 11 1900 School Manchester Lancs

Image is clearly McGee................corrections submitted to FMP

Kay???? Report Edit Delete 27 Aug 2023 16:03
This is a report on a Grace Bridger..credts needed to get the full report...
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Bristol Daily Press..


18th November 1924.,


Grace Bridger surrendered herself to her bail on a charge of Bigamy,by going through with a wedding to William Edward Stock,,her lawful husband was named as Richard Bridger.....she told W Stock she wss a single woman,but her lawful husband Richard Bridges lived in Twichenham,,,,,,they married in 1917 at Gunnersbuy Registery Office,

It maybe a couple of same names and unrelated.? it is Grace Bridger foramlly Mcgee, !


it is Grace Bridge formally Mcgee...



Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1924 (>99%)
Magee Grace V Stock Malmesbury 5a 149 Scan available - click to view
Stock William E Magee Malmesbury 5a 149 Scan available - click to view.

also on FLR.

Grace who married Bridger was formerly McGee


Marriages Sep 1924 (>99%)
Magee Grace V Stock Malmesbury 5a 149 S
Stock William E Magee Malmesbury 5a 149 S

EDIT

Kay has also now added the marriage record

I have downloaded the newspaper article, and will try to send it to petmar via GR

Great find, Kay :-) :-) :-)

Transcription is slightly garbled in places. I haven't seen the original.


YOUNG WIFE'S HUSBANDS

Bigamy Charge at Malmesbury.
I married Bridger, lived with him, and [had a ] child by him that is now six years old, was the admission made by young London woman to her second husband, when the latter accused her of being Mrs Bridger.
[In] the dock at Malmesbury Police Court yesterday stood Grace Bridger (aged 24). who surrendered to her bail on a charge of bigamy by going through the marriage ceremony with William Edward Stock, Minety Parish Church on 1st July, 1924 , her lawful husband Richard Bridger, of 72, Nelson Road, Twickenham, whom she married June, 1917, at the Registry Office, Gunnersbury. being then alive v.105., the time when he met the Brmkworth [?], whilst [in his] parents' home at Woburn Farm, Minety, Wilts that early in this year he . . . . . attended dances at the Swimming Baths, Swindon, and he there met accused.
He knew her [as] Grace McGhee (her maiden name). and she was a single woman, but did not tell him her age. They kept company until July 1st, when they were married [at] Minety Parish Church. While returning from visit to the police he met accused, and she said to him, What is the matter ? He replied, I believe you are Mrs Bridger.
Accused denied this, and asked him to go with her to his home and she would explain matters, saying that she thought some mistake had been made. He did not accompany her, but left her and went to live at Minety.
Accused went away, but returned and he then told her he could not help her. It was [a] very wet and rough night and as accused had nowhere to go, his parents accommodated her in their home where she stayed until she was arrested. Formally charged with the offence, accused, who had asked no questions, replied, I would rather wait and say what I have to say at the Assize. .
She was committed for trial Devizes January next. Bail was allowed—accused in her own recognisances in the sum £40, and one surety for the same amount.

Published: Tuesday 18 November 1924
Newspaper: Western Daily Press
County: Bristol, England

BIGAMY AT MINETY.
Bridger (24) pleaded guilty to bigamy, marrying William Edward Stock at Minety on July 1st last during the life of her former husband .
Mr. Thomas, prosecuting, said the prisoner told Stock she was a single woman, and it was not until October November that [he] discovered she had been previously married. A witness from Catford, London, brother-in-law, giving evidence on the prisoner behalf, said she was subjected to persistent cruelty [by] her first husband, against whom she had a separation and maintenance order. Asked if she had anything to say, prisoner said her first husband was very cruel, and ran away from her. The Judge will consider that [in] your favour, that your first husband was “bad lot,” but that does not excuse you for pretending to be single and deceiving another man. This bigamy is a serious matter, but in your case four months’ imprisonment will [be] sufficient . . . .

Published: Saturday 24 January 1925
Newspaper: Wiltshire Times and Trowbridge Advertiser
County: Wiltshire, England

I wonder if she changed her name as Bridges or McGee or Stock/s she didnt use later on..

If the court reporter in 1925 was correct, she chopped a few years off her age, saying she was 24 , instead of 28.

She also added a middle name when she married William Stock.


Grace Bridger
in the UK, Calendar of Prisoners, 1868-1929
Name Grace Bridger [alias Grace Veronica Stock]
Trial Age 24
Birth Date abt 1901
Trial Date 19 Jan 1925
Trial Place Devizes, Wiltshire, England
Charge Bigamy
Sentence 4 months

???

Marriages Mar 1926 (>99%)
Cater Horace W McGee Lewisham 1d 1322
McGee Grace V Cater Lewisham 1d 1322


Grace Veronica Cater
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name Grace Veronica Cater
Electoral Date 1930
Street Address 85 P568 [ 85 Keedonwood Road on image ]
Ward or Division/Constituency Lewisham
County or Borough Lewisham, England

She's with Horace William.


Grace Cater
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name Grace Cater
Death Age 60
Birth Date abt 1901
Registration Date Jul 1961 [Aug 1961] [Sep 1961]
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district London City
Inferred County London
Volume 5d
Page 95

Name Horace W Cater
Gender Male
Marital Status >>>>>Widowed<<<<
Birth Date 21 Dec 1862
Residence Date 1939
Address 31
Residence Place Harrow, Middlesex, England
Occupation Dept Manager of Photo Goods
Line Number 25
Schedule Number 192
Sub Schedule Number 1

?

I have read on in my threads and the newspaper reports and they say that there are always " skeletons in a cupboard" in every family and mine ihas certainly lived up to expectation.
It has been a real learning curve in everyway

Horace William Cater
in the Web: UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014
Name Horace William Cater
Register Type Cremation
Death Date 13 Oct 1971
Burial or Cremation Date 21 Oct 1971
Burial or Cremation Place Lewisham, London, England



I don't think the 1939 record for Horace, posted by Kay????, is the correct one.
(In fact, that man's name is Carter, not Cater - mistranscribed.)

I think this will be him, in Lewisham - with a different partner. I don't see a marriage:

Horace W Cater
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name Horace W Cater
Gender Male
Marital Status Married
Birth Date 7 Sep 1900
Residence Date 1939
Address 184
Residence Place Lewisham, London, England
Occupation Shell Examiner
Line Number 17
Schedule Number 105
Sub Schedule Number 1
Enumeration District Aojr
Borough Lewisham
Registration district 2/27
Inferred Spouse
Nellie A Cater
Household Members (Name) Gender
Horace W Cater Male
Nellie A Cater Female - 23 Jan 1910



Nellie Agnes Cater
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name Nellie Agnes Cater
Death Age 86
Birth Date 23 Jan 1910
Registration Date Jun 1996
Registration district Lewisham
Inferred County Greater London
Register Number A59A
District and Subdistrict 2421A
Entry Number 169


Looks like Grace had moved on again, some time between 1930 and 1939.

Hi Petmar,

I think skeletons are good because they sometimes help us understand why things were as they were regardless,,,,,,,perhaps it was never told grandad spent a few months hard labour or like yours granmother comitted bigamy, :-D :-,,,,,now days its no big deal,,,but back then it was best swept under the carpet and not spoken of again......

I wonder why or what made Stanley and his family come to UK in 1960,,,as there didnt seem to many family members around.

AG,,yes on refelction...

in 1939 a closed record.


Name Patrick H Cater
Registration Date Jul 1926
[Aug 1926]
[Sep 1926]
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district Lewisham
Inferred County London
Mother's Maiden Name Magee