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I am a bit stuck!! I have William James Cooper born 19th May 1872 (from Warwickshire Baptism records) Father William Cooper Mother Mary Ann??.

He married Edith Ann Ingram born abt.1874 on 22 May 1893 at Coventry, Holy Trinity, Warwickshire.

I cant find them on the 1901 or 1911 census.

They had 5 children, Francis Laverne (birth registered and also always known as Frank born 28 Aug 1907. John born 1908 New Bilton, Rugby. Herbert Thomas born 14 Mar 1910, Rugby.Also a James and a daughter May, whose births I cant find yet.

I found Herbert in 1911 living with a married couple, address just says Frankton, Rugby, he was age 1, and the census states birth place unknown, and that he came from Rugby Union, which from a Google search seems to be some sort of workhouse/children's home.

I know from a relative that both Herbert and John were sent to Dr. Bernardo's as young children.

John and his brother Frank went out to Canada to do farming. Both in 1920. I found the records. I also discovered they both were married in Canada and stayed there.

My problem is trying to place the family on any census records (apart from Herbert who I mentioned above.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Presumably, you have checked that the parents hadn't died by 1911?

Herbert’s birth certificate may give you some clues. Herbert’s mother was either in the workhouse or was using the infirmary just for the birth.

Bear in mind that not everyone actually appears on the census. Some people avoid it, they were travelling overnight, homeless and not found etc.

If you haven’t found the family on the census how do you know about the two children where you can’t find a birth record?

Just for our reference:

Herbert Thomas Looper
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Herbert Thomas Looper
[Herbert Thomas Cooper]
Age in 1911: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Frankton and Princethorpe
Country: England
Street Address: Frankton Nr Rugby
Registration District Number: 391
Sub-registration District: Dunchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Piece: 18626
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Olorenshaw 42
Lucy Olorenshaw 50
Herbert Thomas Looper 1 - nurse child

??????

Name: William J Cooper
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Death Registration Place: Rugby, Warwickshire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Jun 1913
Inferred Death Place: Warwickshire, United Kingdom
Volume: 6d
Page: 753

I see from the marriage cert that he was a Stone Dresser.

Herbert is my Cousin's Wife's Father. I was told about Frank, James and May, Herbert was her Father and I just happened to come across John.

Haven't found a death for either of them yet.

Yes, ErikaH he was.

I ordered Herberts birth certificate, it states he was born at 20 Lower Hillmorton Road, Rugby, same address for Mother's residence, she was a launderess.

Interestingly she has not named a Father on the birth certificate and yet the Father is named as William James Cooper on the baptism record.

All Cooper/Ingram births registered in Rugby in time-scale

COOPER, - INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 542
COOPER, WILLIAM JONES INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 585
COOPER, ERNEST GEORGE INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 650
COOPER, JACK INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 575
COOPER, ANNETTE ROSE INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 602
COOPER, EVELYN MAY INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 609
COOPER, KATHLEEN MARY INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 611
COOPER, FRANK INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 563
COOPER, HARRY INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 586
COOPER, HERBERT THOMAS INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1910 M Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 594
COOPER, JOHN INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 610
COOPER, SYDNEY INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1911 D Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 1125

First name(s) Evelyn May
Mother's last name Cooper
Last name Cooper
Place Newbold-On-Avon
Birth year 1901
County Warwickshire
Birth date 01 May 1901
Country England
Baptism year 1901
Source Warwickshire Baptism Index 1538-1900
Baptism date 02 Jun 1901
Record set Warwickshire Baptisms
Father's first name(s) William James
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's last name Cooper
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Mother's first name(s) Edith Ann
Collections from England, Great Britain

Thanks ErikaH, I did wonder if she may have been known as something else.

A tree on Ancestry claims that Edith died in 1915 in Leicestershire..........NO record of it on freebmd

Her birth was registered OND 1873

Frank was born 1906, not 1907:

COOPER, FRANK mmn INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 563


?? different occupation for the children's father, but Ancestry suggests this is the family in 1911.

Frank Cooper Junior
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Frank Cooper Junior
Age in 1911: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1907
Relation to Head: Grandson
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Newbold On Stone, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Cosford Newbold on Avon
Country: England
Street Address: Newbold On Avon
Registration District Number: 391
Sub-registration District: Rugby
ED, institution, or vessel: 07
Piece: 18592
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cooper 72
Mary Ann Cooper 65
James Cooper 38 - son, married, blacksmith's striker, electrical work.
Walter Cooper 33 - son, single
Clara Cooper 22 - daughter, single
James Cooper 14 - grandson
George Cooper 11 - grandson
Harry Cooper 6 - grandson
Frank Cooper 4


COOPER, HARRY mmn INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 586

COOPER, ERNEST GEORGE mmn INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 650

COOPER, WILLIAM JONES mmn INGRAM
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 585

There is a tree on Ancestry that suggests that May is Evelyn May , born in 1901 as Erika has given.

If the father is not named on the birth certificate then the parents were not married but he can be named in the baptism records.

The parents' names in 1911 above match William James's baptism record - as does the place:

William James Cooper
in the Warwickshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1910
Name: William James Cooper
Baptism Date: 19 May 1872
Baptism Place: Newbold on Avon, Warwickshire, England
Parish: Newbold on Avon
Father: William Cooper
Mother: Mary Ann Cooper

James Cooper
in the 1901 England Census
Name: James Cooper
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Annie Cooper
Birth Place: Newbold, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Newbold on Avon
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Botolph
Town: Newbold on Avon
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Rugby
Sub-registration district: Rugby
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Piece: 2914
Folio: 79
Page number: 10
Household schedule number: 57

Annoyingly, Ancestry doesn't transcribe whole families together for the 1901 census for some strange reason.

However, with James (general labourer) are listed:
Annie, wife, 27, Newbold.
James, son, 4, Newbold
George, son, 1, Newbold

I have just updated my own tree on Ancestry to read Evelyn May.

Have amended Frank to 1906, I got the date originally from his Canadian marriage record, which stated he was 25 in 1932.

In 1901, at Evelyn May's baptism, William James's occupation is "engineer's labourer", which fits with the 1911 census.

So possibly they where known as James and Annie (re the 1901 census)

I did see the 1911 census you posted ArgyllGran, and wondered about it.