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Yvonne

Yvonne Report 2 Jun 2021 18:14

I'm trying to find John Layton in the census but not having much luck.
He was born about 1797 and I have him married to Mary Mills, but that's not confirmed.
He was the governor of Sutton Workhouse in 1843.
He died in 1875 and his will was proved by his daughter Ellen Tipping (nee Layton) in Liverpool.
Any help would be very much appreciated.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Jun 2021 18:26


View Liverpool, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1935
Name: Ellen Layton
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: Full Age
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 22 Dec 1842
Marriage Place: Liverpool, St Nicholas, Lancashire, England
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Father: John Layton occ governor of Sutton workhouse
Spouse: John Tippin

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Jun 2021 18:27

Baptism

Name: Ellen Layton
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 10 Jan 1820
Baptism Date: 20 Feb 1820
Baptism Place: Tontine Street Wesleyan Methodist,Saint Helens,Lancashire,England
Father:
John Layton
Mother:
Mary
FHL Film Number: 0506903 (RG4 2911)

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 2 Jun 2021 18:37

Thanks Shirley, that's definitely the info I have on Ellen. I've just been doing another search on Ancestry and there's a member tree so I decided to take a look. This member had John born in 1777, so I was a way out if that's correct. The member also has the marriage to Mary Mills as 19 Dec 1796 in St. Helens.
He has Mary dying in 1825 in Sutton and John dying in 1857. If this is correct then that's probably why I can't find him in the census.
I had him dying in 1875 because of the probate I found, proved by daughter Ellen.
These seem to be big discrepancies so I guess I need to dig some more.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Jun 2021 18:49

He should still be on 1841 and 1851 censuses

BUT….don’t take notice of other trees - use your own PROVEN research.

the Probate record should tell you his date of death
The death registration will show his age

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 2 Jun 2021 18:52

Just had a look at Ellen Tipping (nee Layton) who married John Tipping.
There is a John Tipping, son of John Tipping and Ellen Layton, who died in 1877 at 117 Smithdown Lane. This is the same address shown on the probate record for John Layton that I found.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Jun 2021 18:53

The Will was proved on 17th Jun 1875 - death date was 28th May 1875

His age at death was 64, so are you 100% certain that Ellen Tipping was this man’s daughter?

EDITED

If you look at the IMAGE, Ellen was the sister of the decedent

Place of death was Sterling Street

safc

safc Report 2 Jun 2021 19:02

????

Baptism: 16 Nov 1813 Tontine St Wesleyan Chapel, St Helens, Lancashire, England
Hannah Layton - Daughter of John Layton & Mary (formerly Mills)
Born: 21 Oct 1813
Abode: Sutton
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: Thomas Rowland
Register: Baptisms 1802 - 1832, Page 15, Entry 3
Source: LDS Film 560903

safc

safc Report 2 Jun 2021 19:03

????

Baptism: 27 Jan 1811 Tontine St Wesleyan Chapel, St Helens, Lancashire, England
John Layton - Son of John Layton & Mary (formerly Mills)
Born: 17 Jan 1811
Abode: Sutton
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: Jabez Bunting
Register: Baptisms 1802 - 1832, Page 9, Entry 2
Source: LDS Film 560903

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Jun 2021 19:04

The one who died in 1875

First name(s) John
Last name Layton
Birth year 1811
Birth date 07 Jan 1811
Baptism year 1811
Baptism date 27 Jan 1811
Place St Helens
Birth place as transcribed Prescot
Denomination Wesleyan Methodist
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name Mills

So, a birth c1777 is much more realistic than 1797

safc

safc Report 2 Jun 2021 19:06

Marriage: 19 Dec 1796 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
John Layton - Weaver, Sutton
Mary Mills - (X), Spinster, Sutton
Witness: John Standish, (X); Elizabith Mills?, (X)
Married by Banns by: William Ellam, Minister
Register: Marriages 1788 - 1812, Page 53, Entry 315
Source: LDS Film 1657584 item 10

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Jun 2021 19:06

1841

First name(s) John
Last name Layton
Sex Male
Age 60
Birth year 1781
Occupation - Governor Weaver
Birth county Lancashire
Birth county as transcribed LANCASHIRE
Birth place (other) England
Institution name Workhouse In Sutton
Street Workhouse In Sutton
Full address
Workhouse in Sutton, Prescot, Lancashire, England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Jun 2021 19:09

Died BEFORE 1851 census

LAYTON, JOHN 74
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 20 Page 699

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Jun 2021 19:11

First name(s) John
Last name Layton
Birth year 1776
Birth date 15 Nov 1776
Baptism year 1776
Baptism date 24 Nov 1776
Baptism place Liverpool, Our Lady and St Nicholas
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Liverpool
Residence Savage Leech
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's maiden name Layton
Mother's occupation Spinster

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 2 Jun 2021 19:19

Wow, you guys are good.
I know for sure that Ellen Layton married John Tipping.
On the copy of the probate I found it didn't give an age and I guess I assumed it was John Layton (senior) but with the age of 64 it does look like it was his son, born in 1811, who died in 1875. Thanks Erika.
I also had not found the daughter, Hannah, which safc found, so thanks for that.
I usually take other member's trees with a pinch of salt but just thought I'd look and when I saw the big discrepancies it got me searching some more.
Thanks.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Jun 2021 19:22

The Probate does NOT give an age - that info is on the DEATH record

BUT..the Probate clearly states that Ellen Tipping was the decedent’s sister

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 Jun 2021 19:26

John Layton
in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1986
Name: John Layton
Birth Year: abt 1777
Death Age: 74
Burial Date: 26 Mar 1851
Burial Parish: Prescot, Lancashire, England
Register Type: Parish Register
Reference Number: PR 2923/1/28

Abode: Sutton.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 2 Jun 2021 19:37

Thanks. It does get confusing when children are given the same names as parents.
It looks like I was way off in my birth estimate for John senior.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 13 Jun 2021 23:52

Just looking at all this information again and I think I have it sorted thanks to you all. I've been looking at the children of John Layton and Mary Mills and found something that's got me a bit confused.
I have the birth and baptisms for John Layton and Hannah Layton and also Ellen who married John Tipping. On familysearch there is a birth and baptism for a Mary Layton, but the dates are exactly the same as those for Ellen.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Jun 2021 10:14

I'm not seeing that baptism on FS.
Can you give more details, please?

Or better still, copy/paste the record to this thread?