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Looking for parents of John A Campbell 1935

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Deborah

Deborah Report 28 May 2021 09:57

Am looking for parents of John A Campbell born 2nd qtr 1935, Paddington. mmn Kirk. Vol 1a, page 22.

He married Sheila M Jones, born Dec qtr 1936 in Paddington, mmn Forder.

I think I am sure John and Sheila had 2 children a boy and girl, both born in Paddington 1959 and 1963, I wont put their names.

John and Sheila married in 1957 in Paddington, 1st qtr 1957.

I don't need any information on Sheila, I have traced her back 3 generations, its John A Campbell I am stuck on.

I know I will probably have to order the marriage certificate.

I am trying to connect John Campbell to my Great Great Aunt and Uncle, James George Campbell 1865, Ireland, DOD unverified and his 2nd wife Annie Young White, 1872 Ireland, DOD unverified. They had 9 children, 4 were sons, James 1896, John 1900, William 1904 and David Eric 1907, all born in Ireland.

I know the information I have on John is sparce, that's why I am stuck, any help or pointers would be greatly appreciated.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 28 May 2021 10:21

Possible marriage of John's parents (right area and timeframe :-

First name(s) John H
Last name Campbell
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1932
Registration month -
MarriageFinder ™

John H Campbell married one of these people

Lilian C Kirk

Spouse's last name Kirk
District Wandsworth
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Volume as transcribed 1D
Page number 1333
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

Kath. x

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 28 May 2021 10:26

Is John not on the 1939 list.?

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 28 May 2021 10:29

John could be a closed record on the 1939 register.

Kath. x

Deborah

Deborah Report 28 May 2021 10:31

I did look, he could still be alive, couldn't find him, I found possible siblings, Marie C Campbell 1937, mmn name kirk, Paddington, Mary campbell 1938, mmn Kirk,Paddington, and possibly Patricia Campbell 1940, mmn Kirk, born Marlebone.

They could all still be alive, obviously Patricia wont be on there.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 28 May 2021 10:33

John H and Lilian are on the 1939 but there is no one else living at that address.
John H was born in 1901 and was an engineer.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 May 2021 10:35

The birth cert will name both parents

Deborah

Deborah Report 28 May 2021 10:39

Got it, nameslessone, also now found the marriage banns, John Henry Campbell and Lilian Constance Kirk, father james campbell, married 16 Jul 1932

Thank you.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 28 May 2021 10:40

I had to swop machines -

DetailSource
Name: John H Campbell
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 19 Sep 1901
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 19 Woodside Close
Residence Place: Surbiton, Surrey, England
Occupation: Draughtsman Souther Engineers Dept
Line Number: 42
Schedule Number: 76
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: CNIO
Borough: Surbiton
Registration district: 30.2
Inferred Spouse:
Lillian C Campbell
Household Members Age
John H Campbell 38
Lillian C Campbell
32

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 28 May 2021 10:43

There is another John A Campbell born in 1935, Surrye North Eastern mmn Smales

John Campbell, age 39, widower married Hilda Gertrude Samles in 1934. I can't find them on the 1939.

Deborah

Deborah Report 28 May 2021 10:47

Hoping now if I order certificates I can confirm the connection to one of my GG Uncles, thank you so much.

Deborah

Deborah Report 28 May 2021 10:48

nameslessone, yes I did see that one as well.

I think I have to order the certificate to be sure.

Deborah

Deborah Report 28 May 2021 11:13

Hopefully, there are only the 2 John A Campbells in the area, being such a common name, it could have been worse. Either could be correct.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 28 May 2021 11:44

In case John Henry Campbell is relevant to your family (but it doesn't look as if he is):

CAMPBELL, JOHN HENRY mmn CROWTER
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 281


James Isaac Campbell [ compositor ]
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: James Isaac Campbell
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 35
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1864
Marriage Date: 20 May 1899
Marriage Place: Holy Trinity, Islington, Islington, England
Father: James Campbell, compositor
Spouse: Mary Alice Crowter 99%)
Campbell James Isaac Islington 1b 565
Crowter Mary Alice Islington 1b 565



John Henry Campbell
in the 1911 England Census
Name: John Henry Campbell
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Wandsworth
Country: England
Street Address: 246 Franciscan Rd, Tooting S W
Occupation: School
Registration District Number: 26
Sub-registration District: Streatham
ED, institution, or vessel: 71
Piece: 2356
Household Members:
Name Age
James Campbell 48 - London
Alice Mary Campbell 37
James Thomas Campbell 10
John Henry Campbell 8
Alice Catherine Campbell 6
Thomas William Campbell 46 - London , brother, compositor


The family in 1901, before John Henry's birth:

James J Campbell
in the 1901 England Census
Name: James J Campbell
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Alice Campbell
Mother: Catherine Campbell
Birth Place: St Luke, London, England
Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Islington
Sub-registration District: Barnsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Neighbors:
Piece: 177
Folio: 34
Page Number: 20
Household Schedule Number: 175
Household Members:
Name Age
James J Campbell 37
Alice Campbell 27
James S Campbell 1
Catherine Campbell 61 - mother, widow, Ireland <<<<<<<<<<<<
Thomas W Campbell 35 - brother


So, going by the dates above (and birthplaces below) , apparently not related to your Irish family.


Catherine Campbell
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Catherine Campbell
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: James Campbell
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Clerkenwell
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 29 Percival St
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration District: Holborn
Sub registration district: Goswell Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors:
Piece: 358
Folio: 17
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
James Campbell 42 - compositor, Ireland
Catherine Campbell 42
James J. Campbell 17
Thos.Wm. Campbell 15


Catherine Campbell
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Catherine Campbell
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: 1840
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Cork Ireland <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil parish: St James Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: St James Clerkenwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 186
Piece: 380
Folio: 81
Page number: 28
Household Members Age Relationship
James Campbell 32 Head, compositor [Dunervon ?? Dungarvan ?? ]
Catherine Campbell 31 Wife
James J Campbell 7 Son
Thomas W Campbell 5 Son

Deborah

Deborah Report 28 May 2021 12:02

Thank you AG it’s worth a look into, because at the moment I am not certain about any of it.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 28 May 2021 12:05

Re the other John Campbell, mentioned by Nameslessone:

Parents' marriage:

John Campbell
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: John Campbell [ engineer, widower ]
Marriage Age: 39
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1895
Marriage Date: 4 Apr 1934
Marriage Place: St Andrew, Stockwell Green, Lambeth, England
Father: John Campbell [ deceased, salesman]
Spouse: Hilda Gertrude Smales [Father: William Henry Smales , tobacconist]


Hilda Gertrude Campbell
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Hilda Gertrude Campbell
Death Age: 81
Birth Date: 19 Nov 1911
Registration Date: Dec 1992
Registration District: Merton
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 14
Page: 892

Like Nameslessone, I don't see them in 1939.

Finding a John Campbell , born c1895, with father John, may be impossible.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 28 May 2021 12:10

John A Campbell 1935 may not have been born in London area.

There's also one in Birmingham, and one in Gateshead - surprisingly, none in Scotland :

Deborah

Deborah Report 28 May 2021 12:17

Thank you AG, this is always the problem with a common name. I will look into all of the suggestions though.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 May 2021 14:46

What leads you to think that the man born in 1935 has any connection with the other people you name...................have you any evidence? Campbell is very common surname..............as you know.

Deborah

Deborah Report 28 May 2021 15:10

I will PM you ErikaH