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Is there any way of finding who a person is on the 1939 register if it says it's officially closed.
The record I'm looking at is the Griffith household -
Josephine Griffith born 1877
Elsie Locke (Farrer) born 1909
Maisie Shipton (Farrer) born 1914
Then there is another record closed.
Now I know there was one more daughter but it's my understanding that this daughter left the family before 1937.

Thanks.

is this maisie

Births Mar 1915 (>99%)
FARRER Maisie Snowdon W. Derby 8b 452

Thanks malyon, this is Maisie. I have birth info on all the family but I can't figure out who the blocked person is on the 1939 register.

2 more births

Births Dec 1916 (>99%)
Farrer Dorothy Snowdon W.Derby 8b 400 Scan available - click to view
Births Dec 1918 (>99%)
Farrer Ethel Snowdon W. Derby 8b 344

Did any of the daughters have a child before 1939?

i see maisie married in 1958

elsie married in 1947

Dorothy married Nicholson in 1936
Ethel married Beaumont in 1932

The closed record does not necessarily have to be a member of the family

I have the marriages for Maisie and Dorothy and know that they are correct. The marriage for Ethel is not correct. She was born in 1918.
Don't know of children before 1939 but I suppose it could've been one of them.
Thanks.

OK, got the maths wrong (long tiring day) but........... is Ethel on the register?

Ditto Dorothy?

Have you tried looking for births?

And, I repeat, it doesn’t HAVE to be a family member

Can’t see Dorothy on the 1939 register
She married Liverpool so this appears to be her death


Dorothy Nicholson
Death Age: 57
Birth Date: 23 Oct 1916
Registration Date: Apr 1974
[May 1974]
[Jun 1974]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 36
Page: 0701
S

Maybe Maisie was in Liverpool too

Maisie Shipton (Farrer)'s life in 1939
3 Upper Baker Street, Liverpool, Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Josephine Griffiths 07 Jan 1877 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 4 1
Elsie Locke (Farrer) 08 Aug 1909 Female Mfg Chemists Book - Keeper Single 4 2
Maisie Shipton (Farrer) 18 Dec 1914 Female Invoice Clerk (Fh Woolworth) Single 4 3
The record for this person is officially closed.
For individual people, records remain closed for a century after their birth (the 100-year rule), unless it can be proven that they passed away before this milestone. Use the ‘Open This Record’ button if you believe that this person is now deceased
Ref: RG101/4362D/002/9 Letter Code: NHQZ
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Edit just realised this is the one you were questioning

Marriages Sep 1947
Farrer Elsie Locke Liverpool N. 10d 804
Locke Harold A Farrer Liverpool N. 10d 804


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
FARRER, ELSIE SNOWDON
GRO Reference: 1909 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 237

27 Heliers Road, Liverpool, Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

John E Jones 28 Mar 1873 Male Blacksmith (Retired) Widowed 30 1
Gladys Harrison (Rogers) 25 Mar 1906 Female Dressmaker Single 30 2
Olive Farrer 09 Feb 1913 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 30 3
John Farrer 03 Jun 1913 Male Fruit Porter (Charge Hand) Married 30 4
Ref: RG101/4441A/004/7 Letter Code: NIVY
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Births Jun 1913
Farrer John Snowdon W.Derby 8b 467


Similar occ to his dad

Another son

FARRER, JOSEPH SNOWDON
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 237

Maybe
Marriages Mar 1932
Farrer Joseph Graves Liverpool 8b 283
Graves Hannah Farrer Liverpool 8b 283


But !

Mulgrave Street, Liverpool, Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

H Calvert 05 Jun 1890 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 93 1
John G Calvert 26 Aug 1925 Male At School Single 93 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
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Ethel E Crawford 30 Jun 1911 Female Shop Assistant Single 93 4
William Hannay 01 Jul 1881 Male Produce Broker Single 93 5
John F L Zollner 23 Oct 1904 Male Company Director Single 93 6

Joseph Farrer 06 Jan 1911 Male Ships Steward Single 93 7. ??

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1939
7 Acrefield Road, Birkenhead, Birkenhead C.B., Cheshire, England

Horatio Scott 02 Feb 1867 Male Director Ltd Company Chemical Fertilizer Married 143 1
Margaret A Scott 22 Oct 1866 Female Unpaid Domestc Duties Married 143 2

Mary E Chambers 29 Sep 1887 Female Trained Sick Nurse Single 143 4
Dorothy Nicholson 23 Oct 1916 Female Domestic Servant Married 143 5

in case you don't have it

John
Last name Farrer
Age 26
Birth year 1913
Occupation Fruit Porter
Marital status Bachelor
Year 1939
Marriage year 1939
Marriage date 19 Aug 1939
Place Stoneycroft, All Saints
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Liverpool
Residence 3 Upper Baker Street Boaler Street
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Farrer
Father's occupation Fruit Merchant
Spouse's first name(s) Olive
Spouse's last name Jones
Spouse's age 26
Spouse's birth year 1913
Spouse's occupation Factory Hand
Spouse's marital status Spinster
Spouse's residence 27 Helius Road
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Jones
Spouse's father's occupation Railway Man
Witness 1 Hugh Morris
Witness 2 Lillian Birch
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive
Liverpool Record Office
Archive reference 283-STY-3-5

Thank you all. It looks like the closed record is probably a visitor or servant. I was just concerned there might be another family member I didn't know about.

Looking at Dorothy Farrer who married George F. Nicholson. They married in 1936 and had a daughter in 1937, who also had the name Dorothy.
Maddie shows Dorothy working as a servant in a house in Birkenhead in 1939 Register, so I looked for where George was with the 2 year old Dorothy but couldn't find them.
A family member remembers Dorothy being fondly remembered as Dorothy Nick but doesn't know if it was the mother or daughter but thinks possibly the daughter. Also, another family members had a letter from Dorothy from New York a number of years ago, so this was probably the daughter, if the death for Dorothy in 1974 is correct. But where were they in 1939?

Is Dorothy 1937 still living?
Or did she die in the USA?
In either case her record in 1939 will still be closed .

She might have been evacuated in 1939, and therefore her (probably closed) entry in 1939 could be with another family..

If George was in the forces, he won't appear on the 1939 Register.

Do you know when George was born? Or what his occupation was at marriage?