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Trying to find information on John Binning Donaldson. I know he was born about 1822 in Scotland and that he married Eliza Fell and as far as I can see they had four children. I can find them up to 1861 census but nothing after that, and I can't find any death references.
Any help would be much appreciated.

hi
where in scotland

what are the children names

what is john occupation

No idea where in Scotland, I just got it from the census and it just says Scotland.
The children are:
Eliza Ann 1847
Jessie Catherine 1848
Gertrude 1850
James 1853

According to the census John was a clerk to lithographer and painter.

Record Transcription:
Lancashire Banns & Marriages

First name(s) John Binning
Last name Donaldson
Age Full
Occupation Book Keeper
Marital status Bachelor
Year 1847
Marriage year 1847
Marriage date 07 Apr 1847
Place Liverpool, St Silas, Pembroke Place
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Liverpool
Residence 9 Danlby Street
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Donaldson
Father's occupation Gentleman
Spouse's first name(s) Eliza
Spouse's last name Fell
Spouse's age Full
Spouse's marital status Spinster
Spouse's residence 9 Danlby Street
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Fell
Spouse's father's occupation Mechanic
Witness 1 William Frederick Fell
Witness 2 John Leders
County Lancashire
Country England
Licence or banns Licence
Archive
Liverpool Record Office
Archive reference 283-SIL-3-1
Register type Marriages
Register year range 1843-1854
Record set Lancashire Banns & Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

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DONALDSON

JOHN BINNING

JAMES DONALDSON/ELISABETH BINNING FR564 (FR564)

M

04/11/1813

605/

30 112

Maybole

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1860
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DONALDSON John B FELL Eliza 1860 Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/83/171


Marriages Dec 1860 (>99%)
Chantler John Liverpool 8b 444
Donaldson John Binning Liverpool 8b 444 xxxxxxxxxxx
Fell Eliza Liverpool 8b 444 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sergent Elizabeth Liverpool 8b 444

Thanks safc, that's great. I did wonder if the Binning part of the name might be his mother's maiden name but couldn't find anything.

Put the following site in your favourites


https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/search-our-records

I used it to find the marriage of the parents

DONALDSON
JAMES
ELIZABETH BINNING/FR484 (FR484)
11/07/1808
600/
20 158
Kirkmichael

And siblings for John

DONALDSON
ANDREW BLANE
JAMES DONALDSON/ELISABETH BINNING FR599 (FR599)
M
02/05/1818
605/
30 147
Maybole

DONALDSON
PATRICK BINNING
JAMES DONALDSON/ELISABETH BINNING FR530 (FR530)
M
11/01/1808
605/
30 78
Maybole

DONALDSON
MARY ANN
JAMES DONALDSON/ELISABETH BINNING FR599 (FR599)
F
02/03/1823
605/
30 147
Maybole

Name: John Binning Donaldson
Date of Trial: 5 Feb 1855
Trial Year: 1855
Location of Trial: Lancashire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment - 5 years
Crime: Embezzlement
Date of Execution or Release: See Image

DONALDSON, ELIZA ANN FELL
GRO Reference: 1847 J Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 20 Page 579
DONALDSON, GERTRUDE FELL
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 20 Page 1148
DONALDSON, JESSIE CATHERINE FELL
GRO Reference: 1848 D Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 20 Page 899
DONALDSON, JAMES FELL
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 368

John was not recorded as 'deceased' when Gertrude married in March 1872

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Gateside (South End), Kirkmichael(Ayr), Carrick, Ayrshire, Scotland

Andrew Donaldson Head Married Male 33 1818 Till Makers Labourer Maybole, Ayrshire, Scotland
Margaret Donaldson Wife Married Female 34 1817 - -
Gilbert Donaldson Son Unmarried Male 14 1837 Ag Lab Dumfriesshire, Scotland
John Donaldson Son Unmarried Male 13 1838 - Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Elizabeth Donaldson Daughter Unmarried Female 11 1840 - Irongray, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Margaret Donaldson Daughter - Female 8 1843 - Parton, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
James Donaldson Son - Male 5 1846 - Ayrshire, Scotland
Fergus H Donaldson Son - Male 2 1849 - Kirkmichael, Ayrshire, Scotland

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Friars Croft, Dundonald, Irvine, Ayrshire, Scotland

Andrew Donaldson Head Married Male 42 1819 Coal Miner Maybole, Ayrshire, Scotland
Margaret Donaldson Wife Married Female 45 1816 Miners Wife Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Gilbert Donaldson Son Widower Male 24 1837 Coal Miner Dumfriesshire, Scotland
John Donaldson Son Unmarried Male 23 1838 Coal Miner Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Elizabeth Donaldson Daughter Widow Female 20 1841 Muslin Sewer Irongray, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
James Donaldson Grand Son - Male 3 1858 - Irvine, Ayrshire, Scotland
Janet Donaldson Grand Daughter - Female 4 1857 - Irvine, Ayrshire, Scotland
Andrew Donaldson Grand Son - Male 2 1859 - Irvine, Ayrshire, Scotland



Baptism
DONALDSON
GILBERT
ANDREW DONALDSON/MARGARET MCKENZIE FR520 (FR520)
M
10/10/1837
840/
30 106
Lochmaben

Not sure if this is connected, but the name seems too much of a coincidence to be otherwise

First name(s) Andrew Blane
Last name Donaldson
Gender Male
Birth year 1865
Birth place Irvine,Ayr,Scotland
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Donaldson
Mother's first name(s) Barbara
Mother's last name Gardiner
Place Irvine

John Binning
Last name Donaldson
Gender Male
Birth year 1813
Birth place Maybole, Ayr, Scotland
Baptism year -
Baptism date -
Baptism place MAYBOLE, AYR, SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Donaldson
Mother's first name(s) Elisabeth
Mother's last name Binning
Residence Maybole, Ayrshire, Scotland
Place Maybole
County Ayrshire
Country Scotland

James
Last name Donaldson
Marriage year 1808
Marriage date 11 Jul 1808
Marriage place Kirkmichael,Ayr,Scotland
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Binning
Place Kirkmichael
County Ayrshire
Country Scotland
Record set

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Record Transcription:
Scotland Births & Baptisms 1564-1950
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First name(s) James
Last name Donaldson
Gender Male
Birth year 1786
Birth place -
Baptism year 1786
Baptism date 05 Oct 1786
Baptism place KIRKMICHAEL, AYR, SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Donaldson
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Residence Kirkmichael, Ayrshire, Scotland

seems to be alive in 1872

Gertrude
Last name Donaldson
Age 23
Birth year 1849
Marital status Spinster
Year 1872
Marriage year 1872
Marriage date 02 Mar 1872
Place Toxteth, St Michael in the Hamlet
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Liverpool
Residence Queens Road Everton
Father's first name(s) John Binning
Father's last name Donaldson
Father's occupation Gentleman
Spouse's first name(s) Henry Samuel
Spouse's last name Moore
Spouse's age 26
Spouse's birth year 1846
Spouse's occupation Book Keeper
Spouse's marital status Bachelor
Spouse's residence Park Road
Spouse's father's first name(s) Henry Mathias
Spouse's father's last name Moore
Spouse's father's occupation Tailor & Draper
Witness 1 Thomas Sewards
Witness 2 Maria Sewards
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive
Liverpool Record Office
Archive reference 283-HAM-3-

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First name(s) Jessie Catherine
Last name Donaldson
Age Full
Marital status Spinster
Year 1871
Marriage year 1871
Marriage date 20 Mar 1871
Place Liverpool, St Jude
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Liverpool
Residence Custace Street
Father's first name(s) John Binning
Father's last name Donaldson
Father's occupation Book Keeper
Spouse's first name(s) John
Spouse's last name Snowdon
Spouse's age Full
Spouse's occupation Clerk
Spouse's marital status Bachelor
Spouse's residence Phoebe Ann Street
Spouse's father's first name(s) Edward
Spouse's father's last name Snowdon
Spouse's father's occupation Publican
Witness 1 William Bennett
Witness 2 Eliza Donoldson
County Lancashire
Country England
Licence or banns Licence

but image says john binning donaldson deceased

Eliza Ann
Last name Donaldson
Age Full
Marital status Spinster
Year 1869
Marriage year 1869
Marriage date 21 Sep 1869
Place Liverpool, St Stephen the Martyr
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Liverpool
Residence 1 Eustace Street
Father's first name(s) John Buinicy
Father's last name Donaldson
Father's occupation Deceased
Spouse's first name(s) Henry Jackson
Spouse's last name Ruther
Spouse's age Full
Spouse's occupation Clerk
Spouse's marital status Bachelor
Spouse's residence 47 Specke Field Cottage Edge Hall
Spouse's father's first name(s) Henry
Spouse's father's last name Ruther
Spouse's father's occupation Custom House Officer
Witness 1 John Snowdon
Witness 2 Jessie Catherine
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive
Liverpool Record Office
Archive reference 283-GRO-3-1

could this be relevant

Name: Janet Bell Binning Donaldson
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 16 Nov 1840
Baptism Place: , Maybole, Ayr, Scotland
Father: John Binning Donaldson
Mother: Margaret Lang Wilson
FHL Film Number: 1041396, 1041397

Thanks all, this is wonderful. I've noted the Scotlands people site for future reference, very useful.
Erika, where did you find the info on him being imprisoned for embezzlement?
I also found the info from Maddie on Janet Bell Binning Donaldson interesting, giving a different wife for John. Do you think he could've been married twice, although it does say on his marriage to Eliza Fell that he was a bachelor.
Thanks.

The criminal records appear on Ancestry..

The baptism record doesn't say that Margaret was his wife - merely that she was the child's mother.

Try looking for info on SP

His saying he was a bachelor when he married Eliza need not be true...............he was a long way from where he was born, and where people knew him

Also, rather bizarrely, he seems to have married Eliza Fell twice. 1847 and 1860

1851 for Janet?


Main Street, Maybole, Ayrshire, Scotland
John Campbell Head Unmarried Male 32 1819 Master Baker (Employing 3 App) Colmonell, Ayrshire, Scotland
Margaret Campbell Sister Unmarried Female 29 1822 - Colmonell, Ayrshire, Scotland
Janet Donaldson Visitor - Female 10 1841 Scholar Maybole, Ayrshire, Scotland
Andrew Kelly Aprentice Unmarried Male 17 1834 App Baker Girvan, Ayrshire, Scotland
Robert Gibson Aprentice Unmarried Male 16 1835 App Baker Maybole, Ayrshire, Scotland
John Fulton Aprentice Unmarried Male 16 1835 App Baker Maybole, Ayrshire, Scotland

With the same family in 1861

Can't see her in 1841