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New Zealand, World War I Service Records, 1914-1920

Name: William Frederick MacMurray
Birth Date: 19 Oct 1879
Birth Place: Wales, England
Enlistment Date: 17 Sep 1917
Father: William Macmurray
Father Birth Place: Newry, Ireland
Mother: Mary Chester Macmurray
Mother Birth Place: Liverpool, England
Service Number: WW1 67995

If Robert married Mary Shaw in 1870 - where is she on the 1871 census?

And why does he say he's a widower?

Name: Annie Cheshyre Whiteway
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Runcorn
Baptism Date: 4 Jun 1851
Baptism Place: Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Father: Robert Cheshyre Whiteway
Mother: Ann Whiteway

Where was Annie in 1861?

OK - found Annie in 1861

Name: Anna Whiteway
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: 1852
Relation: Pupil
Gender: Female
Where born: Bemson, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Leamington Priors
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Leamington
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration District: Warwick
Sub-registration District: Leamington

Name: Clara Whiteway
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 29 Jul 1852
Christening Place: Runcorn, Cheshire, England
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Father: Robert Cheshyre Whiteway
Mother: Ann Whiteway

Name: Clara Whiteway
Registration Year: 1860
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Runcorn
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 160

Another sibling


WHITEWAY, CLARA mms JOHNSON
GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in RUNCORN Volume 08A Page 194


Clara Whiteway
in the England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980
Name: Clara Whiteway
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Runcorn, England
Christening Date: 29 Jul 1852
Christening Place: Runcorn, Cheshire, England
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Father: Robert Cheshyre Whiteway
Mother: Anne Whiteway


Death:

WHITEWAY, CLARA 7
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in RUNCORN Volume 08A Page 160

Can't see Mary (nee Shaw) in 1871 - nor Reginald nor Frederick.
She seems to have died (or moved on in some way) by 1890, as Charles remarried then:

Marriages Mar 1890 (>99%)
Bryan Charles W. Derby 8b 456
Purdue Ellen Amelia W. Derby 8b 456



Charles Bryan
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name: Charles Bryan
Death Date: 24 Oct 1892
Death Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Probate Date: 12 Dec 1893
Probate Registry: Liverpool, England

BRYAN, Charles, of Ebenezer Road, Fairfield, Liverpool,>>>>> watch jeweller<<<<<, died 24 Oct 1892. . . . . . . Administration to Ellen Amelia Bryan, widow.



Charles Bryan
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Charles Bryan
Gender: Male
Age: 41
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1850
Spouse: Ellen A Bryan
Child: Amelia Bryan
Birth Place: Lanc, Liverpool
Civil Parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Fairfield St John the Divine
Residence Place: West Derby, Lancashire, England
Registration District: West Derby
Sub registration district: West Derby (Municipal)
ED, Institution or Vessel: 25a
Neighbors:
Piece: 2992
Folio: 129
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Bryan 41
Ellen A Bryan 27
Amelia Bryan 8/12
Frederick S Whiteway 29



Possibly Mary's death - though doesn't quite fit with 1881 census:

Deaths Dec 1887 (>99%)
Bryan Mary 47 W. Derby 8b 414

She was baptised in 1839

????

cant read the image

Record Transcription:
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Spencer Street, Everton, West Derby, Lancashire, England

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mary Richards Wife - Female 33 1838 - Cheshire, England
Mary Richards Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Cheshire, England
Frederick Richards Son - Male 9 1862 - Lancashire, England
Reginald Richards - - Male 7 1864 - Lancashire, England
??? Richards - - Male 5 1866 - Lancashire, England
Ann Ford Servant - Female 25 1846 - Ireland

Record Transcription:
Cheshire Marriage licence bonds and allegations 1606-1905
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First name(s) MARY
Last name WHITEWAY
Marriage year 1874
Marriage date 21 Jan 1874
Spouse's first name John
Spouse's last name Richards
Bride's marital status Widowed
County Cheshire
Country England
Record set Cheshire Marriage licence bonds and allegations 1606-1905
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
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Record Transcription:
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First name(s) MARY
Last name WHITEWAY
Marriage year 1873
Marriage date 08 Sep 1873
Spouse's first name Charles
Spouse's last name Bryan
Bride's marital status Widowed
County Cheshire
Country England
Record set Cheshire Marriage licence bonds and allegations 1606-1905
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
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There is a parish marriage register image as follows:

Name: Mary Whiteway
[Mary Wills]
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: Full Age Widow
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 22 Jan 1874
Marriage Place: Liverpool, St Bride, Lancashire, England
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Father: Thomas Wills Deceased
Spouse: John Richards Widower occ Lime(?)Merchant
Father: Richard Richards Deceased
Address for both: 44 Canning St
Witnesses Thomas Roger Wright & Emma Martha Willow

Marriage: 9 Sep 1873 St Mary, Walton on the Hill, Lancashire, England
Charles Bryan - full age, Watch Jeweller, Bachelor, Everton
Mary Whiteway - full age, Widow, Everton
Groom's Father: William Bryan, Watch Maker
Bride's Father: William Shaw, Quarry Proprietor
Witness: Richard Peddie Somner; Jane Georgina Hamilton
Married by Licence by: J. D. Evans, Curate
Register: Marriages 1871 - 1874, Page 165, Entry 329
Source: LDS Film 1647987

Marriage: 22 Jan 1874 St Bride, Toxteth, Lancashire, England
John Richards - full, Lime Merchant, Widower, 44 Canning St.
Mary Whiteway - full, Widow, 44 Canning St.
Groom's Father: Richard Richards, Deceased
Bride's Father: Thomas Wills, Deceased
Witness: Thomas Bozer Wright; Emma Martha Wilson
Married by Licence by: William M. Falloon, Incumbant
Register: Marriages 1868 - 1874, Page 216, Entry 432
Source: LDS Film 1546434 and 1546425

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Good find, safc!

Ancestry's transcription of that 1871 census - I must say it does look more like Roberts on the faint image than Richards, though the other records you've posted seem to show it must be Richards. [EDIT: No - the father of the Mary who married John Richards is Thomas Wills - so not the same Mary.]:

Mary Roberts
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Mary Roberts
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: 1838
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Runcom
Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Chrysostom
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration District: West Derby
Sub-registration District: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 77
Household Schedule Number: 15
Piece: 3822
Folio: 55
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Roberts 33
Mary Roberts 11 - Coughton
Fredk Roberts 9 - Liverpool
Reginald Roberts 7 - Liverpool
Charles Roberts 35 - Liverpool
Ann Fred 25 - Ireland

Just to put the cat amongst the pigeons!

ROBERTS, FREDERICK SHAW MMN SHAW
GRO Reference: 1861 S Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 312

ROBERTS, REGINALD MMN SHAW
GRO Reference: 1863 S Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 323

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
ROBERTS, CHARLES MMN SHAW
GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 409

AND

ROBERTS, MARY MMN SHAW
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in CONGLETON Volume 08A Page 249

In Shirley's post yesterday 0838

She has Mary Shaw of 40 Spencer St marrying Robert C Whiteway......40 Spencer St is the same as the 1871 Census for Mary!

Marriage for easy ref

Name: Mary Shaw, Spinster
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 28
Address 40 Spencer St,
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1842
Marriage Date: 7 Apr 1870
Marriage Place: Everton, St Peter, Lancashire, England
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Father: William Shaw, Quarry Proprietor
Spouse: Robert Cheshyre Whiteway, Merchant
Father Philip Whiteway, Stone Merchant
Address Mersey View, Runcorn
Witnesses Thomas Hogarth & Elizabeth Hogarth
Mary has signed the Register 'Mary Shaw'

Could the Clerk have asked Mary if she was married and if she said 'no' because she was a widow have assumed she was a Spinster?

Unless she had previously married a Shaw her status was spinster. Her father’s surname was Shaw,

Or, I know it would be highly unlikely, she divorced Mr Roberts therefore reverting back to her maiden name and her spinster status.

Of course, it could be that she never married Mr Roberts in the first place and was therefore still legally Mary Shaw, Spinster!

The father of the Mary who married Robert Whiteway and Charles Bryan was William Shaw, quarry proprietor.

The father of the Mary who married John Richards was Thomas Wills.

So we can discount the Richards marriage.


Trying to get my head round this - hope I've got the details right:

1861 - Robert is a widower
1863 - Frederick and Reginald are baptised witih parents Robert Whiteway and Mary Shaw - but their births are registered under Roberts.
1870 - Robert marries Mary Shaw, father William Shaw.
1871 - Mary is with children Fred, Reg, and Charles, calling herself a widow - all called Roberts.
1871 - Robert still (or again) says he's a widower, and is with the children of his first marriage.
1873 - Mary marries Charles Bryan, saying she's a widow.
1881 - Mary and Charles are together, with Fred, Reg and Charles, all called Bryan. Fred has middle name Whiteway.
1887 - possible death of Mary.
1890 - Charles Bryan remarries.