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Father LEFT BLANK = ILLEGITIMATE

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Yes I do have his marriage certificate.
Maurice Wallace 33 Bachelor married at Rodmarton, Glocs to Susannah Phelps 31 Spinster. Both listed as servants. Maurice was living at Culkerton and Susannah was living at Berkeley Castle. Susannahs father was Joseph Phelps and Maurices was left blank. Witnesses Charles Phelps and Jane Williams (family)
21st September 1867

On Maurices death certificate 25th September 1881 aged 45 at his home in Lower Cam it was in the presence of Hannah Brazingtree, neighbour.

getting there :

Your family - you must believe what you wish, but the documented evidence doesn’t support your theory about Maurice.

Do you have his marriage cert?

The marriage COULD NOT have taken place in JULY. The Banns weren't called until SEPTEMBER

Ok everyone. Firstly I apologise for not including all information I mistakenly thought what I had posted before would still all be there so here it all is.
As I stated I had been confused about Maurice for so long as he is my direct line.
As a result I posted question for help and signed up with Genes, Thegenealogist, myheritage, fmf , CLDS, for a while and all the free ones and bought copies of available certificates.
Through all of this I knew for definate through census records etc That Maurice was given by Sarah Wallace to her brother in law Henry Wallis. Henry and his siblings were all born in Brinkworth and their parents were Francis Wallis1770 and Betty (Elizabeth) Colinburn ( spelled any number of ways.)
Henry the oldest - b1793 - d1865 was married twice having 1 child with each.
1 Ann Whitfield b1784 - 1848? son Thomas Wallis b1821.plus 3 more
2 Elizabeth Reeve b1791 - 1873 had Joseph Wallace b1824 - 1882.
as far as we know

Henrys brother was Thomas Wallis b1798 and married to Edith Vizard b 1826
they had Richard Wallace/is 1844, Jacob Wallace/is 1847, and Phoebe Wallace/is 1849.

Also brother Francis Wallis b 1800 who married Sarah Pinnell b 1800. in 1821
They had Elizabeth Wallis b1822
John Wallis b 1823
George Wallis b 1824
William Wallis b 1826
Charles Wallis b 1829
Jane Wallis b 1830
Ann Wallis b 1831
Peter Wallis b 1833
Mary Wallis b c1834
Maurice Wallace b 1835
Hester b 1838
Martha b 1840
Reuben b 1843
Asher b 1849- 1917

These has all appeared on various census records of all the different family members. I am only half way through double checking the marriages and children of the siblings as I believed for a long time there was only Maurice.
Seeing that the first child was born into poverty, despite Francis always being in work I believe this was the reason Maurice was given away to Francis's brother Henry. Henry had done quite well for himself running a farm in Hankerton and going on to a farm of 39 acres in Oaksey (Mambys Farm) He married 2 ladies not at the same time, and a child with each Thomas b 1821 and Joseph b 1924. plus 3 more with Ann

The 3 Wallis brothers also had a sister Elizabeth b 1800 - d 1801

So back to Maurice, His mother was Sarah Pinnell Married to Francis Wallis in Brinkworth. we believe it was down to poverty and too many children and the chance of a better life that he was given to Henry to raise on his farm in Oaksey and as such was christened in Oaksey. That way he couldnt be removed to Brinkworth like their first child was in hard times.

When he grew up he left to work with horses as a groom at Rodmarton where he met his wife to be Susannh Phelps. She was a servant and he was a groom. They married in21/7/1867 at Rodmarton, Cirencester
They went on to have 3 children Henry (Harry) Wallace b 1869-1944, Fanny Florence Wallace b 1878 - 1914, and Albert Wallace b!880 -1929. Albert is my great grandfather. Harry married Mary W Meredith b 1899 in Bristol and lived in Bristol as a coachman , Fanny Florence Wallace married Percy J Styles in 6/9/1902 In Eastbourne, Sussex. And Albert married Millicent Osborne ( also spelled many ways)they married in Coventry 1900 and had 4 children.
twins Herbert Wallace and Albert Wallace b 1901 Herbert d 1967 my grandfather. and his brother Albert died in 1976, Sidney b 1903 d1904, and Henry S Wallace (Harry) b1905-1984.
Maurice Died suddenly with apoplexy and his wife Susannah had a stroke or fit , Albert snr was only 1
This is why Albert Wallace snr said Millicent was dead on the census records. We know she wasnt she just went off and left them .
Hope all of this is making more sense now .
I like to research and double and triple check and get a friend to check before I accept it as with all the different spellings and lying about where they were born its easy to slip up. My Wallis /Wallace family have always seemed to be scattered to the four winds.
Thanks for all your help everyone
Sandra Walker -Martin

I wonder whether Sandra will return............ :-S :-S

Sandra -
you mentioned the name Collingburn.

Where did you find that? In what context?

Name: Elizabeth Wallis
Gender: Female
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 14 Sep 1800
Baptism Place: Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England
Father: Francis Wallis
Mother: Elizabeth Wallis

Name: Elizabeth Wallis
Gender: Female
Burial Date: 20 Aug 1801
Burial Place: Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England
Father: Francis Wallis
Mother: Elizabeth

Name: Elizabeth Wallis
Gender: Female
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Jan 1805
Baptism Place: Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England
Father: Francis Wallis
Mother: Elizabeth Wallis

I also agree with Erika that Maurice was born illegitimately.

His baptism record again - from Ancestry this time:

Mauris Wallis
in the Wiltshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916
Name: Mauris Wallis
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 6 Dec 1835
Baptism Place: Oaksey, Wiltshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Oaksey
Mother: Sarah Wallis


If you have a sub to Ancestry, Sandra, have a look at the image of the original document.
It clearly shows that no father is named.

You said earlier, "I was stuck for so long because Maurice ( No 10 of 14)was given to his uncle to raise at Oaksey and I only had Sarah Wallace as mother so wrongly assumed she was a single woman and from Oaksey."

You were correct about Sarah the first time. Maurice's mother was unmarried.

Henry Wallis/Wallace (born c1793 in Brinkworth) was indeed Maurice's uncle, per 1851 census already posted .

Francis Wallis/Wallace (born c 1795 Brinkworth) was Henry's brother . Can't prove it from existing documentation, but it seems very likely, given birthplace and nearness in age.

Henry's father was called Francis, per the banns for Henry's second marriage in 1849:

Henry Walles
in the Wiltshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1916
Name: Henry Walles [ farmer, Oaksey ]
Gender: Male
Age: Of Full Age
Marriage or Bann Date: 26 Apr 1849
Marriage or Bann Place: Charlton, St John the Baptist, Wiltshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Charlton
Father: Frances Walles [labourer]
Spouse: Elizabeth Reeve


Therefore , by logical deduction, Sarah Wallis (Maurice's mother, unmarried) was a sister of both Francis and Henry.

She was NOT Sarah Pinnell, who had married Francis in 1821.

Yes, digressing from Maurice to confirm re Albert -

The other thread:
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1345618

Albert and Millicent/Minnie in 1901, already posted on the other thread (link above):

Albert Wallace
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Albert Wallace
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Minnie Wallace
Birth Place: Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Coventry
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Coventry
Sub-registration District: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Neighbors:
Piece: 2910
Folio: 210
Page Number: 18
Household Schedule Number: 112
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Wallace 20
Minnie Wallace 20
Albert Wallace 2/12
Herbert Wallace 2


Albert in 1891 before marriage (which was in 1900):

Albert Wallace
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Albert Wallace
Gender: Male
Age: 10
Relationship: Nephew
Birth Year: 1881
Birth Place: Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England
[Cam, Gloucestershire, England]
Civil Parish: Eastington
Ecclesiastical parish: Eastington
Residence Place: Alkerton, Eastington, Gloucestershire, England
Registration District: Wheatenhurst
Sub registration district: Frampton
ED, Institution or Vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Piece: 2020
Folio: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Phelps 53
Arthur Phelps 19
Robert Phelps 15
Hubert Phelps 13
Albert Wallace 10
Susannah Dawe 79
Lydia Bailey 28


and 1881 with his parents:

Albert Wallace
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Albert Wallace
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Maurice Wallace
Mother: Susanna Wallace
Gender: Male
Where born: Berkeley Rd, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Cam
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: Yew Tree Cottage
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration District: Dursley
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Piece: 2520
Folio: 112
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Maurice Wallace 45 - Oaksey, Wilts.
Susanna Wallace 45
Harry Wallace 13
Fanny F. Wallace 3
Albert Wallace

Erika has already posted 1861 and 1871 for Maurice and Susanna (nee Phelps), and earlier censuses for Maurice.


Susanna is the sister-in-law of Albert's aunt Jane Phelps (nee Dawe) in the 1891 census posted above.

So Maurice was the father of ALBERT - who married Millicent Osborne, the subject of another thread.

No duplication involved - merely a link

Name: Charles Wallis
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 29 Oct 1826
Christening Place: Hankerton, Wiltshire, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Father: Francis Wallis
Mother: Sarah Wallis

Name: George Wallis
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 2 Nov 1824
Baptism Place: Hankerton, Wiltshire, Englandh
Father: Francis Wallis
Mother: Sarah Wallis

Name: Jane Wallis
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 22 May 1831
Baptism Place: Hankerton, Wiltshire, England
Father: Francis Wallis
Mother: Sarah Wallis

The 'Uncle'

First name(s) Henry
Last name Wallis
Birth year -
Baptism year 1793
Baptism date 12 May 1793
Place Brinkworth
Father's first name(s) Francis
Mother's first name(s) Betty
Country England
County Wiltshire
Notes pauper

Siblings
First name(s) Ann
Last name Wallis
Birth year -
Baptism year 1791
Baptism date 17 Apr 1791
Place Brinkworth
County Wiltshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Francis
Father's last name Wallis
Mother's first name(s) Betty

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Wallis
Birth year -
Baptism year 1798
Baptism date 27 May 1798
Place Brinkworth
Father's first name(s) Francis
Mother's first name(s) Betty

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Wallis
Birth year -
Baptism year 1805
Baptism date 13 Jan 1805
Place Brinkworth
County Wiltshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Francis
Father's last name Wallis
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth

Sorry, but he was illegitimate

First name(s) Maurice
Last name Wallis
Birth year -
Baptism year 1835
Baptism date 06 Dec 1835
Residence Oaksey
Place Oaksey
County Wiltshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) -
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Mother's last name Wallis

I have checked the IMAGE on Ancestry - and Sarah is a servant.
NO father named

1841

Name: Mannie Wallis
[Maurice Wallis]
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Oaksey
Hundred: Malmesbury
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Registration District: Malmesbury
Sub-registration District: Malmesbury Eastern
Piece: 1181
Book: 29
Folio: 10
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Wallis 48
Ann Wallis 50
Thomas Wallis 20
Joseph Wallis 16
Mannie Wallis 5


1851


Henry Wallace Head Married Male 58 1793 Farmer 39 Acres Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England
Elizabeth Wallace Wife Married Female 60 1791 - Wiltshire, England
Joseph Wallace Son Unmarried Male 37 1814 Farmer's Son Hankerton, Wiltshire, England
Maurice Wallace Nephew - Male 15 1836 Labourer Oaksey, Wiltshire, England

1861

Name: Maurice Wallace
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: 1836
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Oaksey, Wiltshire, England*************************
Civil Parish: Berkeley
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration District: Thornbury
Sub-registration District: Berkeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household Schedule Number: 78
Piece: 1749
Folio: 66
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
William Parker 43
Eliza Parker 40
Eliza Parker 15
William Parker 13
Henry Phillips 25
Maurice Wallace 25

1871
Name: Maurice Wallace
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: 1836
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Oaksey Gloucestershire England
Civil Parish: Berkeley
Ecclesiastical parish: Berkeley
Town: Berkeley
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration District: Thornbury
Sub-registration District: Berkeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household Schedule Number: 93
Piece: 2589
Folio: 13
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Maurice Wallace 35
Susana Wallace 34
Henry Wallace 2
James George Dance 21


Name: Susannah Phelps
Gender: Female
Event Type: Banns (Bann)
Marriage Banns Date: 15 Sep 1867
Marriage Banns Place: Rodmarton, Gloucestershire, England
Spouse: Maurice Wallace

Unfortunately, no image of the actual marriage cert is on Ancestry.

I would advise that you get a copy, to find out if he named a father


Name: Maurice Wallace
Age: 45
Birth Year: abt 1836
Burial Date: 26 Sep 1881
Burial Place: Cam, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Cam

You still haven't said when Maurice was born.....................

Who - and when/where - did he marry?


EDITED

I've looked on here and find you have him in your tree as born 1835 in Oaksey - it would have been so much better if you'd given that info in your opening post - or, at the very least, when the question was asked

Thank you everybody for your responses. Shirley, Maddie. ErikaH and Kucinta, thank you so much.
I have now got the Baptism, Marriage, Banns and death records for Wallace/Wallis and Pinnell/ Pinnel Pynnell/ Pinel family to 1600. Just working out who's who in family groups.
Maddie the removal record is interesting, I knew Elizabeth 1822 had been removed and I thought she was taken as a baby into the work/ poor house so it was good to see mom and dad were with her. I am assuming when people are removed it was because they were poor and the parish didn't want them to be a burden on the church but they were born in Brinkworth and living in Hankerton.
They certainly were a fertile couple and the children managed to survive. 14 poor gal.
My Maurice Wallace is my great great grandad so Francis Wallace/Wallis and Sarah Pinnell are my 3x great grand parents. I was stuck for so long because Maurice ( No 10 of 14)was given to his uncle to raise at Oaksey and I only had Sarah Wallace as mother so wrongly assumed she was a single woman and from Oaksey.
Getting somewhere now.
Thanks again to everyone for helping x

Deaths Sep 1868 (>99%)
Wallis Francis 73 Malmesbury 5a 18

elizabeth mentioned inthe removal order

Elizabeth
Last name Wallace
Birth year -
Baptism year 1822
Baptism date 03 Mar 1822
Residence Brinkworth
Place Brinkworth
County Wiltshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Francis
Father's last name Wallace
Father's occupation Labourer
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Record type Bishop's Transcript

in the 1861 England Census

Name: Elizabeth Wallis
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: 1822
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Bristol St Peter
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Bristol
Sub-registration District: Castle Precincts
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 66
Piece: 1715
Folio: 53
Page Number: 13


in the 1851 England Census

Name: Elizabeth Wallace
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Bristol St Nicholas
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration District: Bristol
Sub-registration District: Castle Precincts
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 7
Piece: 1948
Folio: 51
Page Number: 2

1871

Name: Sarah Wallis
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: 1799
Relation: Mother-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Brinkworth Wiltshire England
Civil Parish: Hankerton
Ecclesiastical parish: Bristol and Gloucester
Town: Hankerton and Cloatly
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Registration District: Malmesbury
Sub-registration District: Malmesbury Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household Schedule Number: 41
Piece: 1889
Folio: 60
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
James Beale 32
Martha Beale 30
Albert Beale 4
Sarah Wallis 72

1861

Name: Francis Wallace
[Francis Wallis]
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: 1795
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Wallace
Gender: Male
Where born: Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Hankerton
Ecclesiastical parish: Bristol and Gloucester
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Registration District: Malmsbury
Sub-registration District: Malmsbury Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 52
Piece: 1276
Folio: 58
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Wallace 66
Sarah Wallace 62
Martha Wallace 20
Asher Wallace 12
Eliza Wallace 8 granddaughter

Name: Asher Wallis
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1849
Marriage Date: 14 Apr 1873
Marriage Place: West Brompton, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father: Francis Wallis
Spouse: Mary Jane Annandale........................age 21
Father: James Annandale