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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Sep 2020 09:31

Ivy's still living with her grandparents in 1911.

Ivy May Mildred Gibbs
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Ivy May Mildred Gibbs
Age in 1911: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation to Head: Grandchild
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Paddington
Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 30 Elliott Road, North Brixton S W
Registration District: Lambeth
Registration District Number: 25
Sub-registration District: Brixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 07
Piece: 2056
Household Members:
Name Age
John Joseph Gibbs 76
Emily Louisa Ann Gibbs 69
Ivy May Mildred Gibbs 11


She married William H Doughty in 1932, and in 1939 is living in Harrow with her husband. Her DOB was 15 June 1899.
Died in Nottingham in 1951.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Sep 2020 09:20

A possible reason for the first proposed marriage not going ahead -

this is Nellie in 1901:

Nellie Rowland
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Nellie Rowland
[User-submitted-comment]
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Frederick E Rowland
Birth Place: St Georges, London, England
Civil Parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 91 Chippenham Road
Registration District: Paddington
Sub-registration District: St Mary, Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors:
Piece: 4
Page Number: 41
Household Schedule Number: 341
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick E Rowland 23
Nellie Rowland 21
Lilian L Rowland 4/12


Also at 91 Chippenham Road (but as a different household) are Nellie's parents John and Emily, with son William 24, and grand-daughter Ivy M, aged 1.

An Ancestry user has added the note, "Nellie is the mother of Ivy M Gibbs, living next door at 340 "
Incidentally, the note's inaccurate, as 340 is just the household number, and not part of the address.

Ivy's birth:

GIBBS, IVY MAY MILDRED mms GIBBS
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in PADDINGTON Volume 01A Page 39

Perhaps the first marriage would have been a shotgun marriage, but then one or other of them backed out of it.
Presumably Joseph William admitted he was the father, as the birth was registered in his name, and not as an illegitimate birth.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Sep 2020 09:05

Nellie married somebody else just over a year later - at a different church:

Nellie Kate Allen Gibbs
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Nellie Kate Allen Gibbs
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1880
Marriage Date: 21 Jan 1900
Marriage Place: St John's Wood All Saints, Westminster, England
Father: John Gibbs, cab driver
Spouse: Frederick Ernest Rowland
Register Type: Parish Register

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Sep 2020 09:01

For our reference - location & date:

Nillie Kate Allen Gibbs
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Nillie Kate Allen Gibbs
Marriage Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1879
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1898
Marriage Place: St Augustine, Paddington, Westminster, England
Father: John Gibbs, cabman
Spouse: Joseph William Gibbs
Register Type: Parish Register

If you look at the image, there's a note at the side which says,

"These parties did not put in any appearance."
Signed by the officiating minister, Henry L Bleby.

The entry must have been written in the register before the proposed wedding, to be all ready for them to sign afterwards, but then had to be scored through when they didn't turn up.

The officiating minister sounds seriously fed up - he must have hung around waiting for them.

Christopher

Christopher Report 9 Sep 2020 08:14

hi all
while looking for information on a friend's relative i came across an entry of marriage.
the marriage was between Joseph William Gibbs and Nellie Kate Allen Gibbs and was crossed through,
I have never seen this before, has anyone seen this and if so could you please explain it for me
thanks in advance

Christopher

Christopher Report 2 Apr 2020 13:07

Just like to say thank you to everyone who posted info relating to Charles Goodden
THANK YOU
Chris

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 28 Mar 2020 08:46

PM of thanks received today from Christopher.

You're welcome,Christopher!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Mar 2020 15:35

Re Charles & Sophia's daughter Mary Ann (Mary in 1841 census; Marianne at baptism):

gravestone and lots of biography:

http://www.stsepulchres.org.uk/burials/haynes_edward.html




Her baptism, just for the record (not posting all the other siblings' baptisms, as I'm sure Christopher already has them):

Marianne Goodden
in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915
Name: Marianne Goodden
Baptism Date: 6 Apr 1823
Baptism Place: Oxford, St Ebbe, Oxfordshire, England
Parish as it Appears: St Ebbe
Father: Charles Goodden
Mother: Sophia Goodden

safc

safc Report 26 Mar 2020 15:17

OXFORD UNIVERSITY HERALD:
PROVINCIAL. CITY AND COUNTY LECTURERS AT CARFAX. Rot. R. C. HaleĀ», Rector, Stniday morning nnd erening. Death- Jnno 11, Sophia, wife Mr. Goodden, bookseller, of thkCity, aged 55. 1863.]
26 June 1852 - Oxford University and City Herald - Oxford, Oxfordshire, England

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Mar 2020 14:37

Sophia Goodden
in the UK, Lunacy Patients Admission Registers, 1846-1912
Name: Sophia Goodden
Gender: Female
Admission Date: 23 Oct 1849
Institution: Warneford
Intitution Place: Oxfordshire, England
Death Date: 11 Jun 1852
Death Place: Oxfordshire, England

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Mar 2020 14:35

Sophia Ricketts
in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Baptism, Marriages, and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: Sophia Ricketts
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Aug 1797
Baptism Place: Oxford, St Cross (Holywell), Oxfordshire, England
Father: David Ricketts
Mother: Ann Ricketts

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Mar 2020 14:32

I wasn't going to post this death of a Sophia Goodden, because the age wasn't right (too old, I thought), but in view of that 1851 posted by safc, perhaps it's the right death after all:

GOODDEN, SOPHIA 55
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in HEADINGTON UNION Volume 03A Page 319


Sophia Goodden
in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1965
Name: Sophia Goodden
Age: 55
Birth Year: abt 1797
Burial Date: 18 Jun 1852
Burial Place: Oxford, St Aldate, Oxfordshire, England
Parish as it Appears: St Aldate

Abode: Warneford Asylum
Buried at St Mary's Cemetery, Osney.

safc

safc Report 26 Mar 2020 14:22

????

Record Transcription:
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Warneford Asylum, Headington Quarry, Headington, Oxfordshire, England
Learn about this record set

First name(s) S
Last name G
Relationship -
Marital status Married
Sex Female
Age 53
Birth year 1798
Occupation -
Birth place Not Known
Birth place as transcribed Not Known
Birth town -
Birth county -
Birth county as transcribed Not Known
House name Warneford Asylum
Street Headington Quarry
Town -
Parish Headington
City -
County Oxfordshire
Hamlet -
Parliamentary borough -
Municipal ward -
Registration district Headington
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1727
Folio 202
Page 28

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Mar 2020 12:27

I think the father's name James on the alternative version of the possible baptism of Charles (posted by Maddie) is a mistranscription.

On the image it could be either James or "Saml". I think Samuel is correct.

Maddie

Maddie Report 26 Mar 2020 11:41

Elizabeth
Last name Gooden
Birth year -
Baptism year 1772
Baptism date 23 Aug 1772
Denomination Anglican
Place Martock
County Somerset
Country England
Father's first name(s) Samuel
Father's last name Gooden
Mother's first name(s) Jane

Charles
Last name Gooden
Birth year -
Baptism year 1789
Baptism date 03 Jun 1789
Place South Petherton
Denomination Presbyterian
Father's first name(s) Saml
Mother's first name(s) Jane
County Somerset
Country England
The National Archives reference TNA/RG/4/43

Nancy
Last name Gooden
Birth year -
Baptism year 1774
Baptism date 09 Nov 1774
Denomination Anglican
Place Martock
County Somerset
Country England
Father's first name(s) Sam
Father's last name Gooden
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Event type Baptisms, marriages & burials

Henry
Last name Goodan
Birth year -
Baptism year 1774
Baptism date 09 Nov 1774
Denomination Anglican
Place Martock
County Somerset
Country England
Father's first name(s) Samuel
Father's last name Goodan
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Event type Baptisms & burials

Name: Jane Mattock
[Jana Mattock]
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 7 Oct 1750
Baptism Place: Martock, Somerset, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Father: Jeremiah Mattock
Mother: Betty Mattock

????

Samuel
Last name Godden
Birth year -
Baptism year 1751
Baptism date 13 Oct 1751
Place Ilminster
Denomination Presbyterian
Father's first name(s) Edward
Mother's first name(s) Martha
County Somerset
Country England
The National Archives reference TNA/RG/4/3265

Edward
Last name Godden
Sex Male
Birth year -
Marriage year 1744
Marriage date 04 DEC 1744
Parish Dinnington
Spouse's first name(s) Martha
Spouse's last name Williams
Groom's parish Seavington S Michael
Bride's parish Ilminster ----
County Somerset
Country England

Maddie

Maddie Report 26 Mar 2020 11:31

or


Charles Gooden
England and Wales Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)
Name
Charles Gooden
Event Type
Baptism
Christening Date
03 Jun 1789
Christening Place
South Petherton, Somerset
Father's Name
James Gooden ----- but same date as above bapt
Mother's Name
Jane Gooden
Affiliate Publication Number
RG4_0043

Citing this Record
"England and Wales Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8), 1588-

Samuel
Last name Gooden
Year 1772
Event date 09 Jan 1772
Spouse's first name(s) Jane
Spouse's last name Mattick
Parish Martock
County Somerset
Country England
Volume Somerset Marriage Registers, Vol 3

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Mar 2020 10:51

???

Charles Goodden
in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name: Charles Goodden [ bachelor ]
Gender: Male
Marriage or Bann Date: 5 Jun 1815
Marriage Place: Oxford, St Mary Magdalen, Oxfordshire, England
Parish as it Appears: St Mary Magdalen
Spouse: Sophia Ricketts [ spinster, a minor ]

Witnesses were R and Ann Tredwell


If this is the right couple, Sophia would have been c14, and Charles c19 - going by ages given in 1841, which I know are unlikely to be accurate..


In 1851 Charles says he's married, and widowed in 1861 census. Can't see Sophia's death 1841-61.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Mar 2020 10:46

Just a suggestion - South Petherton is about 3 miles from Martock:



Charles Gooden
in the England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970
Name: Charles Gooden
Gender: Male
Event Type: Baptism
Father: Saml Gooden
Mother: Jane Gooden
Baptism Date: 3 Jun 1789
Baptism Place: South Petherton, Somerset, England
Denomination: Presbyterian
Piece Title: Piece 0043: South Petherton, Old Meeting (Presbyterian), 1786-1837

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 26 Mar 2020 08:37

1861 census has him born Martock.

Rose

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Name: Charles Goodden
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1851
Event Place: St Ebbe, Oxfordshire, England
Registration District: Oxford
Residence Note: Speedwell Street
Gender: Male
Age: 61
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Bookseller
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1790
Birthplace: Marlow, Somersetshire
Page Number: 10
Registration Number: HO107
Piece/Folio: 1728 / 226
Affiliate Record Type: Household
Affiliate Image Identifier: http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC/1851/4279228/00457&parentid=GBC/1851/0000491677


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Charles Goodden Head M 61 Marlow, Somersetshire
Letitia Goodden Daughter F 24 Oxford, Oxfordshire
Charles Goodden Son M 21 Oxford, Oxfordshire
Sarah Goodden Daughter F 19 Oxford, Oxfordshire
Louisa Goodden Daughter F 17 Oxford, Oxfordshire

Household ID: 83013
Line Number: 16
GS Film Number: 101795715
Digital Folder Number: 101795715
Image Number: 00457

Rose