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John Higgleton m Susan Pamplin 1814 in Kelvendon

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Apr 2020 12:50

A marriage record from 1822 unfortunately won't tell you where or when he was born, though it might give a very rough idea of his age (eg - "full age"), and where he lived at the time of the marriage.

Via this record (below) on Ancestry, you can view the document online at Essex Archives Online for £2.99.

There's a link on the Ancestry page.

John Higgilton
in the Essex, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1935
Name: John Higgilton
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 30 May 1822
Marriage Place: Kelvedon, St Mary The Virgin, Essex, England

As far as I can make out with the aid of my magnifying glass on the Essex Archives page, without paying £2.99 to see the full size image, it only says "of this parish" and something which might be his marital status, or possibly occupation.
No indication of age.

Denis

Denis Report 13 Apr 2020 12:34

From my various searches I think Sarah and Hannah Pamplin are one and the same person. Hannah Pamplin died and was buried on 12th December 1819 and then John Higgleton went on to marry Susan Green (possibly originally Susanna) on 13/05/1822. I am still trying to find out the birth date and place of birth for this John Higgleton. I am rather hoping that he might have been born in 1791 in Colne Engaine, but may have to resort to a marriage certificate between John and Susan Green in 1822.
Any comments would be welcome.

Denis

Denis Report 21 Feb 2020 19:18

Note to Sylvain,
You are doing a great job here. I should have said that there was no current Keldon, now called Kelvedon. I would like to to think this John, (with so many wives?? ha ha ) was the same John of Elizabeth Eyres born in 1791, but like you I am not yet convinced. I am floundering with so many John and James Higgletons. I can't even tie all the deaths to specific persons yet for these two names. This seems to be the only Higgleton family in Kelvedon, the rest are in or around the Colne villages or in Halstead itself. All these places are in Essex.
Thanks again.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 20 Feb 2020 18:09

Regarding Keldon ..............

that is the name used on the marriage certificates and baptism transcripts.

As AG posted ............ it was the old name for Kelvedon plus it was seemingly retained as the name for a part of Kelvedon.

I didn't make it up ......... I copied and posted the EXACT transcripts as found on the major genealogy sites.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 20 Feb 2020 18:06

There are children born to a John Higgleton (various sp) and wife Sarah ......

...... but they are not baptised in Keldon or Kelveton, and cover the same period as the marriages of John Higgleton to BOTH Hannah and Susan (Susanna/h) Green

AND I saw but cannot now find again, a John and Sarah Higgleton (various spellings) on a census, but again NOT in Kelveton or Halstead.


The image of the marriage of John to Sarah Pamplin MIGHT be on Essex Archive Online .............. it's up to you whether you want to find that site and to see the image. It's not a subscription site, and you can't ask helpers (who are members just like yourself) to pay for you. BUT seeing if it is on that site would tell you the date of the marriage ............... same date, before or after.

FWIW ............... I believe there are TWO John Higgletons who married Pamplin girls. The Pamplins might be sisters, relations or not related.


That's unless you want to believe that one John Higgleton married bigamously not only once but twice, and managed to children on at least 2 of the wives.


I have to go out now, but will try to re-find the baptisms of children to John Higgleton (various spellings) and wife Sarah. Note that the baptisms do not state the wife's maiden name!


FWIW ............ I am not yet convinced that John Hingleton and wife Elizabeth Eyres are the parents of your John. I need more proof!

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 20 Feb 2020 13:24

I think you'll find that the reference to Sarah is a mistranscription of Hannah

When you visit the Records Office, you'll be able to verify

Sylvia gave you info about the second marriage showing John to be a WIDOWER. And about Hannah's death..............................

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Feb 2020 13:15

Re Keldon - you say "no such place", but it was the old name for Kelvedon:

"In King Richard I’s Curia Regis Rolls we had become Kevleveden then Keldon in the time of Elizabeth I and the name became Kelvedon in the 18th Century."

https://www.kelvedon.org.uk/local-history/

Denis

Denis Report 20 Feb 2020 12:51

Thank you all for your replies which are all very useful. I think the John Higgleton who married Sarah Pamplin in 1814 in Kelvedon (no such place as Keldon) see Essex ref 571186/M04228-1 is the same John Higgleton who was born in 1791 and the son of John Higgleton and Elizabeth Eyres. I cannot find any children with Sarah Pamplin and think she may have died shortly asfter marriage. Did John then marry her sister Hannah? Also did this John then marry Susan Green on 30/05/1822 in Kelvedon? I know this couple had at least six children, and maybe seven as Albert fills in the gap between 1835 and 1839.
For ArgyllGran, I didn't realise Easterford was part of Kelvedon. Thanks
For Sylvain, a lot of the BMD references state Halstead but this covers all the Colne villages such as White Colne, East Colne, Earls Colne, Wakes Colne, and Colne Engaine so if one wants an exact place of BMD then further investigation is necessary. All these villages but onto one another.
Could this John Higgleton have had three wives:- 1)Sarah; 2) Hannah; 3) Susan/
I must try and find the deaths for Sarah and Hannah Pamplin now!
Thanks again to you all :-)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Feb 2020 10:36

From a Google search, Kelvedon and Keldon appear to be the same place, and Easterford is part of Kelvedon.

Kelvedon is approx 10 miles SW of Colchester.
Colne Engaine is approx 11 miles NW of Colchester.
Colne Engaine is approx 9 miles north of Kelvedon.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Feb 2020 22:07

??????????

from FMP ..........

Essex Baptism Index 1538-1920

First name(s) John
Last name Higleton
Baptism year 1791
County Essex
Country England
Place -
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Father's first name(s) John
Sex Male
Baptism date 18 Dec 1791
Father's last name Higleton
Mother's last name Higleton
Record set Essex Baptism Index 1538-1920
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Baptisms


from Ancestry ............

Essex, England, Select Church of England Parish Registers, 1518-1960

Name: John Higleton
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 18 Dec 1791
Baptism Place: Colne Engaine, Essex, England
Father: John Higleton
Mother: Elizabeth Higleton
FHL Film Number: 1472112

no image



I note that the suggestion is that a John Hingleton (note spelling) son of John Hingleton and Elizabeth Eyres, born Colne Engaine, Essex, derives from one tree on Ancestry, which has, as proof onlt those two records that I've posted above.

I don't know Essex well enough to know whether Colne Engaine is close to Keldon, Keldon or Easterford, which are the places identified with John on other records.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Feb 2020 21:54

The death for Susan that I posted above is more likely to be correct than the 1854 death registration posted by malyon .............

From Ancestry ........

1861 Census

Name: Susan Higgleton
Age: 66
Estimated birth year: 1795
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Halsted, Essex , England
Civil Parish: Kelvedon
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: Witham
Sub-registration district: Kelvedon

Susan Higgleton 66 b.ca 1795, Halsted, Widow, Head, Carrier
Alfred J Higgleton 24 b.ca 1837, Kelvedon, Son, Carrier

Address:- High Street


1871 Census

Name: Susan Higgleton
Age: 76
Estimated birth year: 1795
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Halstead Essex England
Civil Parish: Kelvedon
Town: Kelvedon
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Witham
Sub-registration district: Kelvedon

Susan Higgleton 76 Widow, Head, no occupation shown

Address:- Swan St



????her baptism ..........

Essex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812

Name: Susanna Green
Gender: Female
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 7 Apr 1795
Baptism Place: Halstead, St Andrew, Essex , England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Father: Tho Green
Mother: Rachel Green



This is another record on FMP, it looks like the same baptism but the mother's name is different???

Essex Baptism Index 1538-1920

First name(s) Susanna
Last name Green
Baptism year 1795
County Essex
Country England
Place Halstead, St Andrew
Mother's first name(s) Mabel
Father's first name(s) Tho
Father's last name Green
Baptism date 07 Apr 1795
Archive
Essex Record Office

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Feb 2020 21:27

From FMP ...............


Essex Burial Index 1530-1994

First name(s) Hannah
Last name Higgleton
Age 27
Birth year 1792
Residence Keldon or Easterford
Burial year 1819
Burial date 12 Dec 1819
Place Kelvedon
Relationship Wife of
Relative's name John Higgleton
County Essex
Country England
Archive
Essex Record Office
Archive reference D/P 134/1/8
Record set Essex Burial Index 1530-1994
Category Life Events (BDMs)



First name(s) John
Last name Higgilton
Age 57
Birth year 1792
Residence Keldon or Easterford
Burial year 1849
Burial date 12 Aug 1849
Place Kelvedon
County Essex
Country England
Archive
Essex Record Office
Archive reference D/P 134/1/8
Record set Essex Burial Index 1530-1994



?????

First name(s) Susan
Last name Higgleton
Age 85
Birth year 1795
Residence Kelvedon
Burial year 1880
Burial date 26 Feb 1880
Place Kelvedon
County Essex
Country England
Archive
Essex Record Office
Archive reference D/P 134/1/14
Record set Essex Burial Index 1530-1994

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Feb 2020 21:15

Ancestry says that the image of the record for the 1822 marriage can be seen at Essex Archives Online .......... presumably you have to pay


FMP has the following transcripts, which may be helpful ..........

Essex Marriages And Banns 1537-1935

First name(s) John
Last name Higgleton
Residence Keldon or Easterford <<<<<<<<<<<
Marriage year 1814
Marriage date 31 Mar 1814
Place Kelvedon
County Essex
Spouse's first name(s) Hannah
Spouse's last name Pamplin
Spouse's marital status S
Spouse's residence Halstead
Country England
Event type Marriages
Archive
Essex Record Office
Archive reference D/P 134/1/9
Page number 8
Record set Essex Marriages And Banns 1537-1935


First name(s) Hannah
Last name Pamplin
Residence Halstead
Marriage year 1814
Marriage date 31 Mar 1814
Place Kelvedon
County Essex
Spouse's first name(s) John
Spouse's last name Higgleton
Spouse's marital status B <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's residence Keldon or Easterford
Country England

FMP does not have the Essex record for the marriage of John Higgleton to Sarah Pmaplin, so no date, and no place of birth given for John ...........

First name(s) John
Last name Higgleton
Name note -
Marriage year 1814
Marriage date 1814
Marriage place Kelvedon Near Colchester
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Pamplin
County Essex
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973


First name(s) John
Last name Higgleton
Residence Keldon or Easterford <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Marriage year 1822
Marriage date 13 May 1822
Place Kelvedon
County Essex
Spouse's first name(s) Susan
Spouse's last name Green
Spouse's marital status S
Spouse's residence Keldon or Easterford
Country England
Event type Marriages
Archive
Essex Record Office
Archive reference D/P 134/1/9
Page number 27
Record set Essex Marriages And Banns 1537-1935


First name(s) Susan
Last name Green
Residence Keldon or Easterford
Marriage year 1822
Marriage date 13 May 1822
Place Kelvedon
County Essex
Spouse's first name(s) John
Spouse's last name Higgleton
Spouse's marital status W <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's residence Keldon or Easterford
Country England
Event type Marriages
Archive
Essex Record Office


It definitely looks as though the John who married Hannah might well be the same one who married Susan Green.

malyon

malyon Report 19 Feb 2020 18:10

susan in 1851

Susan Higgleton
England and Wales Census, 1851
Name:
Susan Higgleton
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1851
Event Place:
Kelvedon, Essex, England
Registration District:
Witham
Gender:
Female
Age:
56
Marital Status:
Widow
Occupation:
Carrier
Relationship to Head of Household:
Head
Birth Year (Estimated):
1795
Birthplace:
Halstead, Essex

malyon

malyon Report 19 Feb 2020 18:06

Deaths Jun 1854 (>99%)
Higgleton Susannah Halstead 4a 183

malyon

malyon Report 19 Feb 2020 18:02

this looks like john and susan in 1841 name spelt higiltone

John Higiltone
England and Wales Census, 1841
Name:
John Higiltone
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1841
Event Place:
Kelvedon, Essex, England, United Kingdom
Residence Note:
Street
Gender:
Male
Age:
45
Age (Original):
45
Birth Year (Estimated):
1792-1796
Birthplace:
Essex
Registration District:
Witham
Parish:
Kelvedon
County:
Essex
Page Number:
10
Registration Number:
HO107
Piece/Folio:
343/32
Affiliate Record Type:
Institution
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Higiltone Male 45 Essex
Susan Higiltone Female 43 Essex
Sophia Higiltone Female 16 Essex
Jane Higiltone Female 8 Essex
Alfred Higiltone Male 4 Essex

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Feb 2020 18:00

To discover whether both marriages are for the same man, you'll need to visit the County Reords Office to see whether he's described as a widower on the second one

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Feb 2020 17:58

Death?

HIGGILTON, JOHN 57
GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in WITHAM Volume 12 Page 275

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Feb 2020 17:52

1841

Name: John Hegilton
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England
Civil Parish: Kelvedon
Hundred: Witham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
View image
Registration district: Witham
Sub-registration district: Kelvedon
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 343
Book: 9
Folio: 31
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hegilton 45
Susan Hegilton 43
Sophia Hegilton 16
Jane Hegilton 8
Alfred Hegilton 4


You must have worked back to this man somehow - which of his children is the 'line'?

malyon

malyon Report 19 Feb 2020 17:51

Sarah Higgleton
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:
Sarah Higgleton
Gender:
Female
Christening Date:
08 Jun 1828
Christening Date (Original):
08 JUN 1828
Christening Place:
KELVEDON NEAR COLCHESTER,ESSEX,ENGLAND
Death Date:
28 Sep 1834
Father's Name:
John Higgleton
Mother's Name:
Susannah