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Alexander Alfred Croft & French family.

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Arfermo Report 18 Feb 2020 12:47

Hello--My uncle Alex, who had been a British soldier, returned to England from WW1, in France , in the early 1920's, with a French wife ,Helene Marie ( Glorieux,) and two children. Alexander Auguste & daughter Ninette. My uncle, born in 1889, in Birmingham, returned to that city. Last known to be living there in the 1930's. After 20 yrs, I cannot find him, his wife or children, in any indices, EXCEPT--the son Alexander Auguste Croft, who I recently discovered , left London for Bombay India, on the P&O liner ''Chusan'' 11/9/1950 aged 30. Birmingham address shown. on boarding paper's. AND, his mother , Helene Marie Glorieux , buried, with her maiden name, in Lille France, dated 1966. age 83. NO other documentation for my Uncle Alexander Alfred Croft , or, the daughter Ninette, Nothing. ANY help at all would be very welcome--thank you, Arfermo.


ErikaH Report 18 Feb 2020 12:54

Birth year info is vital

Births Dec 1889 (>99%)
Croft Alexander Alfred Birmingham 6d 117


ErikaH Report 18 Feb 2020 12:56

1939 register

66 Salters Lane, Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England
Alexander A Croft 05 Oct 1889 Male Chauffeur Married 181 1
Helene Marie Croft 22 Feb 1883 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 181 2
Joseph Henri Croft 03 Feb 1923 Male Seeking Work Shop Assistant Single 181 3
Plus one closed record

No records are kept of travel to Europe, so, if the family went there at any time, you will not be able to trace their movements

As the wife died there, one would imagine that's what happened

French records are not kept on a national basis - you have to look in the relevant area


alviegal Report 18 Feb 2020 13:24

I assume you have this for Alfred?

Last name CROFT
Gender Male
Birth day 30
Birth month 8
Birth year 1921
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1970
District Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Volume 9C
Page 1205


ArgyllGran Report 18 Feb 2020 14:00

Alexander Alfred Croft
in the British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: Alexander Alfred Croft
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1889
Enlistment Age: 25
Marriage Date: 27 Nov 1917
Marriage Place: St Ower [ St Omer ]
Document Year: 1914
Residence Place: Golden Square, Petworth Sussex
Regimental Number: 08990
Regiment Name: Army Service Corps
Number of Images: 13
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Alexander Alfred Croft Self (Head)
Helene Marie Joseph Glorrence

Alexander A Croft
in the UK, Foreign and Overseas Registers of British Subjects, 1628-1969
Name: Alexander A Croft
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 27 Nov 1917
Marriage Place: Saint-Omer
Event Type: Marriage
Spouse: Helene M J Glorieux
Spouse Gender: Female
Piece Description: RG 34: Miscellaneous Foreign Marriages, 1826-1921


ArgyllGran Report 18 Feb 2020 14:04

In case you don't have these:

Alexander Alfred-J Croft
in the Midlands, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1955
Name: Alexander Alfred Croft
Residence Year: 1939
Ward or Division/Constituency: Moseley
Street address: 66 SCRIBER'S LANE
Residence Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Alex Alfd Croft
in the UK, Midlands and Various UK Trade Directories, 1770-1941
Name: Alex Alfd Croft
Region: Birmingham
Residence Year: 1936
Publication Title: 1936 Kelly's Directory of Birmingham
Street address: 66 Scriber's la. Hall Green

The address on 1939 Register is 66 Scribers Lane, not Salters Lane.


greyghost Report 18 Feb 2020 14:07

Do you have your Uncle's Service Records?

British Army Service Records

First name(s) Alexander Alfred
Last name Croft
Age 25
Birth year 1889
Service number HI/08990
Regiment Army Service Corps
Year 1914
Residence town Petworth
Residence county Sussex
Residence country England
Series WO 363
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
The National Archives
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

From images - age 25 on enlistment, RC. Regt. No. M1/08990
NOK given as Friend - Miss Maisie Miller, Swan Hotel, Petworth, Sussex

Married 27.11.1917 to Helene Marie Joseph Gloricux a Spinster at Hotel de Ville, St Omer, Pas de Calais.
He made a weekly payment to her from that date of £1 17s made up of 9s Separation Allowance and £1 8s Allotment. the address to which payment was to be sent was 36 Rue de Wissocq, St omer, Pas de Calais
No children listed on documents
Awarded British Medal, Victory Medal and 1914 Star
Enlisted 2.11.14
Wounded right Leg 30.4.15

Also dislocated shoulders caused by ?
Admitted Belmont Road Auxiliary Hospital, Liverpool 26.3.19
Discharged no longer physically fit 15.7.19
Proceeding on discharge to 6 Rue de ?Trois or Tiors, Marchands Blois, (? Loir) et Cher, France


ArgyllGran Report 18 Feb 2020 14:09

Might he have changed occupation after the War?
No indication of age on this:

Alexander A Croft
in the British Postal Service Appointment Books, 1737-1969
Name: Alexander A Croft
Date Appointed: Feb 1948
Place Appointed: Birmingham

This man was a telegraphist.


greyghost Report 18 Feb 2020 14:23

The J denotes eligible for Jury Service

Alexander A-J Croft
in the Midlands, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1955

Name: Alexander A-J Croft
Residence Year: 1950
Ward or Division/Constituency: Sparkbrook
Street address: 107 Golden Hillock Road
Residence Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

with Alfred A and Bridget Croft

the 1935 and 1939 already posted show him with Helen Marie Joseph Croft. Any children would have been too young to show.


ArgyllGran Report 18 Feb 2020 14:29


107 Golden Hillock Road is the address for Alexander Augustus when he left the UK in 1950.

And Alexander Augustus is a telephonist - so that will be him in the Post Office 1948 record.

So did his father remarry, to a Bridget ??

I can't see any such marriage in England/Wales.

Alfred and Bridget are also together in 1945, at 107 Golden Hillock Road.


greyghost Report 18 Feb 2020 14:34

England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

First name(s) BRIDGET
Last name CROFT
Gender Female
Birth day 19
Birth month 6
Birth year 1924
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 2002
District Birmingham
District number 0611C
Register number C21B
Entry number 232
Date of registration mm/yy 0902
County Warwickshire
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England


greyghost Report 18 Feb 2020 14:35

A Croft with a French first name and a Bridget marriage

England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

First name(s) HENRI E
Last name CROFT
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1947
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™
HENRI E CROFT married one of these people
Bridget M Walsh
Spouse's last name Walsh
District Kensington
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 5C
Volume as transcribed 5C
Page number 3199
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

One possible female child born to marriage 1952 Ealing RD


greyghost Report 18 Feb 2020 14:42

England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

First name(s) HENRI EDMOND
Last name CROFT
Gender Male
Birth day 10
Birth month 8
Birth year 1924
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 2000
District Medway
District number 5611D
Register number D19A
Entry number 003
Date of registration mm/yy 0600
County Kent
Country England

A copy of the will may give you some details - £1.50 through the site

First name(s) Henri Edmond
Last name Croft
Death year 2000
Death date 29 Jun 2000
Probate year 2000
Probate date 18 Aug 2000
Registry Brighton
Registry county Sussex
Country England
Document type Grant and will
Number 489765
Record set England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1960-2019


ArgyllGran Report 18 Feb 2020 14:42

That's Henry Edmond Croft, address 274 Carlton Ave, Wembley.

Travelling together:
Henry Edmond 25
Bridget Mary 25
Bernadette Anne 2.5 months

Bridget Mary Croft
in the UK and Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Bridget Mary Croft
Arrival Age: 25
Birth Date: abt 1924
Port of Departure: Port Harcourt, Nigeria
Arrival Date: 22 Aug 1949
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Port Harcourt and Takoradi
Ship Name: David Livingstone
Shipping Line: Elder Dempster Lines Ltd
Official Number: 161146

There are several travel records between Africa and UK.

In 1951, 1953, 1954, 1957, the address is 9 Shurland Ave, Drysdown on Sea, Sheerness.


ArgyllGran Report 18 Feb 2020 14:47

Can't see any sign of Joseph Henri (from 1939 Register).
Presumably born in France.


ArgyllGran Report 18 Feb 2020 14:47

Arfermo -
when was Ninette born, please?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 Feb 2020 14:57

If the records are open on the 1939 record then deaths must have been picked surely?


ErikaH Report 18 Feb 2020 14:59


Marriages Sep 1949 (>99%)
Croft Joseph H O'Brien Birmingham 9c 1831 S
O'Brien Mary T Croft Birmingham 9c 1831

One probable daughter on freebmd


ArgyllGran Report 18 Feb 2020 15:09

Alexander A and Bridget are also at 107 Golden Hillock Road in 1945, with Joseph M (should be H ?) Croft and Helena M Croft .

Don't know if Helena M is Alexander's wife or his daughter.
If his wife, who is Bridget ??

Or was Ninette officially Helena, perhaps?


ArgyllGran Report 18 Feb 2020 18:03

Joseph H and Mary T in 1955:

Joseph H Croft
in the Midlands, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1955
Name: Joseph H Croft
Residence Year: 1955
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hall Green
Street address: 26 Halewood Grove
Residence Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Probably (as she's the only Mary T O'Brien born in Birmingham in a reasonable year) -:

Mary Theresa Croft
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Mary Theresa Croft
Death Age: 62
Birth Date: 12 Oct 1919
Registration Date: Apr 1982
[May 1982]
[Jun 1982]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: West Midlands
Volume: 32
Page: 1167