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rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 8 May 2020 11:42

This looks a possible from FreeBMD.

March quarter 1849
NICKLESS Lucy Shiffnal 18 145


Not seeing a corresponding birth on the GRO site though.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 May 2020 12:16

That 1849 record is the death of a 75-year-old:

NICKLESS, LUCY 75
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in SHIFFNAL Volume 18 Page 145

So unless I'm misunderstanding the thread so far, it's not relevant.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 May 2020 12:39

Maybe ???

Jutey Nickolas [ Juley on image ]
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Jutey Nickolas
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Mary Nickolas
Gender: Female
Where born: Hatton, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Shiffnal
Town: Shiffnal
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration district: Shiffnal
Sub-registration district: Albrighton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5h
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 115
Piece: 1987
Folio: 413
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Nickolas 45 - widow, receiving poor relief
John Nickolas 25 - son
Martha Nickolas 22 - daughter
Eliza Nickolas 9 - daughter
William Nickolas 5 - daughter
Jane Nickolas 3 - daughter
Jutey Nickolas 2 - daughter
Mary Ann Nickolas 1 - daughter


Death of father William ???

NICKOLS, WILLIAM 52
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in SHIFFNAL Volume 18 Page 139

I know Julia's baptism was later than that, but presumably her father would still be named even if deceased.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 May 2020 13:04

Martha Nichols
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Martha Nichols
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 17 Jul 1831
Baptism Place: Shifnal,Shropshire,England
Father: William Nichols
Mother: Mary


William Nichole
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: William Nichole
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 25 Jul 1846
Baptism Place: Shifnal, Shropshire, England
Father: William Nichole
Mother: Mary


Eliza Nichols
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Eliza Nichols
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 5 Jun 1842
Baptism Place: Shifnal,Shropshire,England
Father: William Nichols
Mother: Mary


??
NICHOLLS, JANE -
GRO Reference: 1848 M Quarter in SHIFFNAL UNION Volume 18 Page 159


EDIT:

No, Jane must be Mary's grandchild:

Jane Nichols
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Jane Nichols
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 12 Mar 1848
Event Place: Shifnal, Shropshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Shifnal, Shropshire, England
Gender: Female
Mother's Name: Martha Nichols


Perhaps Juley and Mary Ann are also Martha's children - but I can't see their births to prove one way or the other.


There are also Nickolds/Nickolas children with mms Guest - but they're a different family - parents Thomas and Elizabeth:

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 May 2020 14:17

Looks like Mary remarried:

Marriages Jun 1864 (>99%)
Biggs Thomas Madeley 6a 1170
Nicolls Mary Madeley 6a 1170


Julia A Nicholls
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Julia A Nicholls
[Julia A Biggs]
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: 1850
Relation: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Hatton Shropshire England
Civil Parish: Madeley
Ecclesiastical parish: Ironbridge
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Registration district: Madeley <<<<<<<<<<<<
Sub-registration district: Madeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 49
Piece: 2755
Folio: 7
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Biggs 77
Mary Biggs 71
Julia A Nicholls 21


Mary using the name Biggs before marriage::

Julia Biggs
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Julia Biggs
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Biggs
Mother's name: Mary Biggs
Gender: Female
Where born: Shiffnal, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Madeley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Madeley
Sub-registration district: Madeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 98
Piece: 1858
Folio: 8
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Biggs 57
Mary Biggs 57
Julia Biggs 11


Then Julia married Thomas Micklewright in Madely, already posted.

But still no birth record.

Anne

Anne Report 10 May 2020 07:32

So that would be the same for my mother's father as that is what started me on this search trying to find her real father and that of her brother both children of Joyce Banks who later married Fred Wood.
Oh what tangled webs!!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2020 11:28

I posted the 1851 census above.

Same family in 1841?

Mary Nicholls
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Mary Nicholls
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Gender: Female
Where born: Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Shiffnall
Hundred: Brimstree (Shiffnall Division)
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
View image
Registration district: Shifnal
Sub-registration district: Shiffnal
Neighbors:
Piece: 909
Book: 9
Folio: 12
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
William Nicholls 40 - shepherd
Mary Nicholls 30
Martha Nicholls 10
Herbert Nicholls 1 6 Mo [ 18 months on image ]


Herbert Nichols
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Herbert Nichols
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 1 Dec 1839
Baptism Place: Shifnal,Shropshire,England
Father: William Nichols
Mother: Mary

No birth record for Herbert, either.


Possible marriage of William and Mary ??

Mary Corns
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Mary Corns
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 20 Dec 1829
Marriage Place: Tong, Shropshire, England
Spouse: William Nicholls
FHL Film Number: 1657590


Tong is where the son John was born, per 1851 census.

There's a John Corns, 15, probably with the family in 1841, although the image suggests he's another household on his own, which seems unlikely.