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Florence Coldham - opinions please UPDATE 11 Dec

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 11 Dec 2019 21:41

Do you know where in Wiltshire?

Emma?

Marriages Mar 1929
Coldham Emma E Fossey Barnet 3a 744
Fossey Arthur H Coldham Barnet 3a 744

Deaths Sep 1966
FOSSEY EMMA E 61 CHIPPENHAM 7C 382

Deaths Jun 1979
FOSSEY ARTHUR HENRY 22NO1905 CHIPPENHAM 23 1774

Rose

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 11 Dec 2019 21:49

Perhaps Arthur Coldham was already married and changed his surname?

Births Mar 1869
Coldham Arthur Henry Barnet 3a 153

Marriages Mar 1891
Coldham Arthur Henry Barnet 3a 288
Fielder Elizabeth Ann Barnet 3a 288
HALSEY Clara Ann Barnet 3a 288

Name: Arthur Dale
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Event Place: Rochdale, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
County: Lancashire
Civil Parish: Rochdale
Ecclesiastical Parish: Rochdale St Mary
Sub-District: Wardleworth
Registration District: Rochdale
Gender: Male
Age: 32
Occupation: PAINTER
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1869
Birthplace: Holloway, London
Schedule Type: 191
Page Number: 26


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Arthur Dale Head M 32 Holloway, London
Esther Dale Wife F 32 Swansea
Arthur Harry Dale Son M 2 Cardiff



Rose

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Dec 2019 21:56

And did he change back again later?

Arthur H Coldham
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Arthur H Coldham
Death Age: 58
Birth Date: abt 1869
Registration Date: Apr 1927
[May 1927]
[Jun 1927]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Barnet
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 409


1922 ER (and also 1920):

Arthur Henry Coldham Sr
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Arthur Henry Coldham Sr
Gender: Male
Electoral Date: 1920
Ward or Division/Constituency: Finchley
County or Borough: Barnet, England

He's with Arthur Henry junior, and Esther.

Address: Windsor Castle Cottage

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Dec 2019 22:00

No sign of Arthur Coldham in 1901 or 1911, which are the only years we see Arthur Dale.


Arthur Coldham
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Arthur Coldham
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relationship to Head: Son
Mother: Emma Coldham
Gender: Male
Where born: Finchley, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Finchley
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: Green Lane 1 Old Manor Cottage
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Barnet
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors:
Piece: 1371
Folio: 42
Page Number: 78
Household Members:
Name Age
Emma Coldham 36
Arthur Coldham 12
Charles Coldham 10
Herbert Coldham 7
Emma Coldham 5
Henry Thos. Coldham 3
Emma Harrison 73
Samuel Smith 23

supercrutch

supercrutch Report 11 Dec 2019 22:00

Hi Rose and Gran,

I was just coming back to add that both Florence and Emma married stating their maiden names were Coldham.

Fossey is correct, my niece remembered seeing a daughter in Wiltshire called Doff. So I went trawling for births and found the 1945 Chippenham birth for Dorothy.

Thanks for the confirmation.

Something dire must have happened for the girls to use the alternate name. Oooooh your suggestion about him already being married is intriguing :-D

Sue x

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Births Jun 1899
Dale Arthur Henry Cardiff 11a 369

Informant a year off?

Deaths Mar 1971
COLDHAM Arthur Henry 21My1898 Hendon 5c 442

Rose

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 11 Dec 2019 22:06

Could be Esther was already married too.

Rose

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Dec 2019 22:07

???
Arthur Henry Coldham
in the Web: UK, Royal Marines Registers of Service Index, 1842-1925
Name: Arthur Henry Coldham
Birth Date: 16 Dec 1868
Enlistment Date: 16 Mar 1887
Division: Royal Marine Light Infantry: Portsmouth Division
Register Number: 3723

Trade before enlistment: french polisher.

Invalided out 10 July 1889.

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Married Clara Ann Halsey:

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
COLDHAM, HENRY JAMES HALSEY
GRO Reference: 1892 D Quarter in BARNET Volume 03A Page 242

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
COLDHAM, ANNIE EMMA GEORGINA HALSEY
GRO Reference: 1891 S Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 629

COLDHAM, ETHEL CLARA HALSEY
GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in BARNET Volume 03A Page 271

Rose

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 11 Dec 2019 22:11

All by herself in 1901:

Name: Clara Coldham
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Event Place: Friern Barnet, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom
County: Middlesex
Civil Parish: Fryern Barnet
Ecclesiastical Parish: All Saint'S
Sub-District: Finchley
Registration District: Barnet
Gender: Female
Age: 29
Occupation: LAUNDRY WOMAN
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1872
Birthplace: Potters Bar, Middlesex
Schedule Type: 109
Page Number: 16


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Clara Coldham Head F 29 Potters Bar, Middlesex
Annie Emma Coldham Daughter F 9 Hampstead, Middlesex
Henry Jas Coldham Son M 8 East Finchley, Middlesex
Ethel Clara Coldham Daughter F 6 East Finchley, Middlesex


Rose

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Dec 2019 22:14

No husband with Clara in 1901:

Clara Coldham
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Clara Coldham
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Potters Bar, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Friern Barnet
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
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Registration district: Barnet
Sub-registration district: Finchley
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors:
Piece: 1235
Folio: 114
Page Number: 16
Household schedule number: 109
Household Members:
Name Age
Clara Coldham 29 - married
Annie Emma Coldham 9
Henry Jas Coldham 8
Ethel Clara Coldham 6


COLDHAM, ANNIE EMMA GEORGINA mms HALSEY
GRO Reference: 1891 S Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 629

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Dec 2019 22:15

Still calling herself married in 1911:

Clara Coldham
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Clara Coldham
Age in 1911: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Potter's Bar, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Finchley
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: Ren, Holly Park, Church End, Finchley N
Marital status: Married
Occupation: General Servant Domestic
Registration district: Barnet
Registration District Number: 131
Sub-registration district: Finchley
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 111
Piece: 7170
Household Members:
Name Age
Ernest Richard Edwards 39
Alice Maria Edwards 38
Iris Hertha Edwards 4
Gladys Alnutt Cresswell 22
Clara Coldham 42

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Dec 2019 22:16

Clara A Coldham
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Clara A Coldham
Death Age: 74
Birth Date: abt 1868
Registration Date: Jan 1942
[Feb 1942]
[Mar 1942]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 884

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Deaths Mar 1942
Coldham Clara A 74 Hendon 3a 884

Rose

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Dec 2019 22:19

Sisters Ethel and Annie together in 1911, both unmarried, plus (presumably) the son of one of them:

Ethel Clara Coldham
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Ethel Clara Coldham
Age in 1911: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Relation to Head: Sister
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Finchley, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Finchley
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 71 Long Lane, East Finchley
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Daily Servant Domestic
Registration district: Barnet
Registration District Number: 131
Sub-registration district: Finchley
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 50
Piece: 7176
Household Members:
Name Age
Annie Emma Georgeina Coldham 20
Ethel Clara Coldham 17
Henry Coldham 2/12

Young Henry is first listed as "son", then that's scored out and replaced by "brother". That's a cover-up for respectability.

COLDHAM, HENRY -
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in BARNET Volume 03A Page 398

supercrutch

supercrutch Report 11 Dec 2019 22:21

Hi Gran thanks for your replies too. I just found his Naval Records as you posted

When the short birth cert was discovered obviously this provoked questions. These have lain unanswered until I offered to look at the details day before yesterday.

The family were covering something up if there wasn't sudden deaths of both parents when the girls were young and they were raised by another family.

My nephew and niece will be really excited to read this thread and I cannot thank everyone enough.

I will leave it open just in case anything else comes to light.

Thank you all so much

Sue

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Dec 2019 11:25

So he changed his name between at least 1893 and 1901 - presumably because of setting up home illicitly with Esther.


Arthur Henry Coleman
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Arthur Henry Coleman
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1869
Spouse: Clara Ann Coleman
Birth Place: Fincham, Middlesex , England
[Finchley , Middlesex , England ]
Civil Parish: Hampstead
Residence Place: Hampstead, London, England
Sub registration district: Hampstead
ED, Institution or Vessel: 19
Neighbors:
Piece: 109
Folio: 57
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Henry Coleman 22 - conductor, tramcar
Clara Ann Coleman 20

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Dec 2019 11:46

Sue -

Earlier you said:
"someone in this family remembers visiting a couple of ladies who she thought were Florence's siblings, one called Emma and the visits were in Wiltshire."


Arthur H Fossey
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Arthur H Fossey
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 22 Nov 1905
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 90 Woodlands Road
Residence Place: Chippenham, Wiltshire, England
Occupation: Progress Clerk
Schedule Number: 184
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: WRCH
Registration district: 243/2
Inferred Spouse: Emma E Fossey
Household Members:
Name
Arthur H Fossey
Emma E Fossey
Esther J Coldham - widowed, 22 Sept 1868.


You found the daughter Dorothy's birth in 1945.
There was also a son, Derek, in 1943, who sadly died the same year.

His birth reg is correctly transcribed on Ancestry, but FreeBMD wrongly has it as being in Chipping Norton, with the wrong volume number. I've submitted a postem.

Derek A Fossey
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Derek A Fossey
Death Age: 0
Birth Date: abt 1943
Registration Date: Oct 1943
[Nov 1943]
[Dec 1943]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Chippenham
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 67

Maddie

Maddie Report 12 Dec 2019 12:28

in case you don't have it

Arthur Henry
Last name Coldham
Age 46
Birth year 1868
Birth town Finchley
Birth county Middlesex
Birth country England
Service number 22412
Regiment Middlesex Regiment
Unit / Battalion 9th Reserve Battalion
Year 1915
Residence town Finchley
Residence county Middlesex
Residence country England
Series WO 363
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'

Arthur Henry
Last name Coldham
Age 47
Birth year 1868
Birth town Finchley
Birth county Middlesex
Birth country England
Service number 237419
Regiment Labour Corps
Unit / Battalion 402nd (Home Service) Employment Company
Year 1915
Residence town Finchley
Residence county Middlesex
Residence country England
Series WO 363
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'

wife ester
windsor cottage the walks east finchley
he was a deorator

supercrutch

supercrutch Report 12 Dec 2019 12:59

Oooh thanks for the latest replies, I will be kept busy today.

Had a long chat with Nephew last night and from all the help you have given the first deductions are:

He started first family with Clara near London.

Second family using the surname Dale he established in Lancashire.

He reverted to the original surname of Coldham by 1920, the 3 children from the Lancashire family used the Coldham name when they married.

Why Esther gave birth in Cardiff, Colwyn Bay and Rochdale is really intriguing. Especially as in 1901 she was living in Rochdale and 1911 in Bolton. Bearing in mind what travel complications were in place in the early 1900s. Esther states her place of birth as Swansea, so more digging.

Can't express my thanks enough :-D

Sue x

Edited, reverted to Coldham when he enlisted for the second time..