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Ok, thanks Dea.

Great find Tiggit !

Unfortunately the mention of 'E Herbert' is purely as someone who makes a declaration on a death cert of a totally unconnected person called Arthur William Ballance, a farmer from Suffolk.

All the mentions of Ernest S Sole certainly connect to 'our' Ernest though.

Dea x

Thanks Maddie.... Anything on E Herbert in 1928?

stock transmitted to ernest samuel sole,cotton broker beresford street liverpool Ernest Samuel
Last name Sole
Title -
Year 1883
Day 4
Month 7
Place Liverpool
Country England
Event role EXEC
Volume 33
Folio 147
Folio suffix -
Entry number 633
Column 7
Record set Great Western Railway Shareholders 1835-1932

Ernest Samuel
Last name Sole
Title -
Year 1905
Day 25
Month 10
Place Wavertree
Country England
Event role DEATH
Volume 110
Folio 27
Folio suffix -
Entry number 121
Column 3
Record set Great Western Railway Shareholders 1835-1932
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

ernest samuel sole of 96 alma rad southampton

Sole
Title -
Year 1898
Day 16
Month 9
Place Birkenhead
Country England
Event role EXEC
Volume 74
Folio 128
Folio suffix -
Entry number 486
Column 7

adddress 47 beresford road oxton birkenhead

remarks
returned to j w drew 2 promenade place clarrence street cheltenham

Ernest Samuel
Last name Sole
Title -
Year 1904
Day 4
Month 2
Place Liverpool
Country England
Event role EXEC
Volume 92
Folio 101
Folio suffix -
Entry number 460
Column 7
Record set Great Western Railway Shareholders 1835-1932
proprieter
the rev artur baron sole, the rectory winchester
on the acc
arthur baron sole, ernest samuel sole

probate
accepted as proof of death
edith mary sole widow

If someone has access to the findmypast website this might be worth checking out (not sure what info is likely to be recorded):

There is an Ernest Samuel Sole listed on the wills and probate section showing that he was a shareholder in the Great Western Railway 1835-1932 (years 1883, 1898, 1904 and 1905).
Also there is an E Herbert recorded as a shareholder in 1928.

Death of son William Onslow/Anslow - actually born 1908:

William Auslow Herbert
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: William Auslow Herbert
Death Age: 76
Birth Date: 17 Jan 1907
Registration Date: Oct 1983
[Nov 1983]
[Dec 1983]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Leigh
Inferred County: Greater Manchester
Volume: 39
Page: 2223

In 1911 EHH was timekeeper at an iron foundry - so seems to have changed occupation again between the end of the war and his death.

On the marriage it says occupation of father train driver

I have looked up the marriage for Cecil Edward Herbert who is the first child of Ernest Herbert Herbert and Beatrice. They marry on the 6th July 1929 at St Pauls Westleigh and the father is named as Ernest Herbert (Deceased). Their last child Fred Herbert was born in 1928 so that narrows the search for the death of Ernest Herbert Herbert.
Phil

Thanks Philip - plase do look again and see if there is any little snippet of info which you might add to help us.

If you could find his birthday that would be absolutely wonderful !!!

Dea Xxx

I am so sorry thought was at a dead end with this line of enquiry so not been on to look. Thanks so much for all the work you have been doing on my behalf I feel awful. I have been doing the research as a surprise for my friend so I haven't got any more information and I really doubt my friend does. I will look through your previous posts as I wanted to reply first before looking.
Thanks again

Phil

Thanks AG - I have checked and double checked all those addresses but nothing helps ................... :-(

We really need Philip to reappear !!!

Dea x

One of the other army records posted previously (not showing on Fold3)
is about the award of medals, and among other squiggles it says:

[A squiggle I can't make out] Recs Preston finds [funds ??] claim for emblems 24/7/24
Address: 25 Royston Street, Liverpool.



No Herberts at that address in 1925 - only Elizabeth Ann Menin and Marietta Josephine Whitfield Menin, who aren't relevant to this puzzle.

Well, I've signed up for Fold3's free trial.

The Pension Record Card is not a lot of help, though. No date of birth, and no NOK info, so we're no further forward.

Form No. SB 36
Regional number: 8/MH/8354

Ernest Herbert Herbert
CSM, South Lancs, 6583
Date of discharge: 25/03/1919
YOB: 1878
Married.
Address: 17 St Leonards Road, Bournemouth
Disabilities: Gunshot wound right shoulder, attributed to Service.

Post-award correspondence:
Date of letter: 23/2/23 Application to London Region for file.
Date of final disposal: 1/3/ 23 File received.

Other action:
BF (14) 5/3/23
Corres 1/3/23 [ this date seems out of sequence ]
BF 13/3/23
Corres 13/3/23
BF 26/3/23
Corres 26/3/23
PA 6/4/23
Corres 24/7/31
BF OK 30/10/31
OK 30/10/31

There's also a rubber stamp:
OK 25 May 1925

No - he hasn't read it yet ... :-(

All we actually need is his dob and surely that must appear on his army records or somewhere within his family......

Dea x

Has Philip read your PM, Dea?

When he thanked us for help on the 18th, he seemed to think he would be able to find army records from EHH's regimental number.
I wonder if he's pursued the Fold3 angle, or is hoping that the MOD will have something not showing online (though the latter is unlikely).

Is there anybody there................... ??? - Knock one for no and twice for yes !!!.................. ;-) :-D :-D

Dea x

No, you're right, Dea.
I had been aware of Ernest Henry before, but had forgotten.

The trouble is that the GRO site give his middle name as Henry and there was an Ernest Henry born in Surrey at the right time who would fit......

Death:
HERBERT, ERNEST HENRY 51
GRO Reference: 1927 D Quarter in RICHMOND Volume 02A Page 617

There could, of course, have been an error on the death reg.........

Dea x