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Christina married Gordon Seller Wallace 26/3/1915 Woolwich. Her Father was John Lloyd, Sergeant Major in the Army Servuce Corp. He died before 1915.

My problem is, I can find no record of Christina before her marriage in 1915. Not, in the census, Free BMD, Ancestry, FMP, overseas births, nor military births overseas!!

I got her birth date from the 1939 Census.

Am I too tired and missed her? At the moment, she did not exist before 1915

Can anyone help please?

Gerry :-(

Maybe she doesn't show on any census because she abroad with her army family

Marrying in Woolwich suggests her father was stationed there .

There is a tree on Anc that suggests she was Christiana Sarah Lloyd b 1889 in Bridgend, Wales with father John Lloyd a miner?? You have probably seen it.

I noticed that when she married in 1915 that her husband lists his age as 21 and she was listed as 23. I wonder if she took a few years off her age at the time due to her husband being younger?? My own grandmother certainly did. However she lists her father as in the army and deceased at the time of her marriage. Could this have been to impress her husband who was in the Army???

It would be interesting to see whether the birth cert of Christiana Sarah Lloyd in 1889 lists the same birth day and month

No help, but just to save others the search- this is who was living in 1911 at the address on her marriage:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2 Charlinch Cottages Red Lion Street Woolwich, Woolwich, London, England
John Blackmore Head Married Male Labourer 58 1853 Woolwich Kent
Jane Blackmore Wife Married Female None 52 1859 Culompton Devon

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1 Charlinch Cottages Red Lion Street Woolwich, Woolwich, London, England
Henry Slade Head Married Male General Labourer 31 1880 Amersham Bucks
Jessie Slade Wife Married Female - 26 1885 Inverness Scotland Resident
Alfred Henry Slade Son - Male - 6 1905 South Bromley London E
Wilfred James Slade Son - Male - 4 1907 Poplar London E
Harry John Slade Son - Male - 2 1909 Blackheath London S E

Did she stay in the general area ??


First name(s) CHRISTINE S
Last name WALLACE
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1892
Age 72
Death quarter 3
Death year 1964
District GREENWICH
County London
Volume 5C
Page 444
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
(c) brightsolid online publishing ltd

Looks like it

Name: Gordon Seller Wallace
Birth Date: 17 Jun 1893
Date of Registration: Mar 1972
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Greenwich
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5b
Page: 1297

So it's looks like she may have been a local girl who married a soldier stationed at Woolwich

Wallace Household (5 People)
56 Froissart Road , Woolwich, London, England

Gordon Wallace 17 Jan 1893 Male Machine Fitter Married 164 14
Gordon Wallace 17 Jun 1893 Male Machine Fitter Married 164 1
Christina Wallace 19 Oct 1892 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 164 2
John Bonyan 21 Jun 1912 Male Munition Worker Cartridge Filling Married 164 7
Evelyn M Bunyan 07 May 1915 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 164 8

Hi all

Thanks for your input. Doesn't look as though I am going to be able to find her

Gerry

I would contact the owner of the "Bunyan Family Tree" on Ancestry, to see what further information he can provide.

He has photo's of Christina and Gordon and their daughter Evelyn.

that tree on ancesty has her born as christiana Sara Lloyd born 1889 Maestig Wales

so seems she did do some adjusting with facts

Name Christana S Lloyd
Age in 1911 22
Estimated Birth Year abt 1889
Relation to Head Daughter
Gender Female
Birth Place Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish Higher Llangynwyd
Search Photos Higher Llangynwyd, Glamorgan, Wales
County/Island Glamorgan
Country Wales
Street Address 24 Bangor Street Nantyffyllon Bridgend
Marital Status Single
Registration district Bridgend
Registration District Number 591
Sub-registration district Maesteg
ED, institution, or vessel 05
Household schedule number 16
Piece 32530
Household Members
Name Age
John Lloyd 63
Margaret Lloyd 27
Christana S Lloyd 22
Auentin Edgar Lloyd 14
John Williams 36
John Harris 28

I hate to put a spanner in the works but this 'could' be the one from Bridgend ??


Marriages Mar 1912 (>99%)
Lloyd Christiana S Williams Bridgend 11a 976 Scan available - click to view
Williams Nehemiah Lloyd Bridgend 11a 976 Scan available - click to view


??? 1939:
Williams Household (3 People) 91 Picton Street , Maesteg U.D., Glamorganshire, Wales
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Nehemiah Williams 10 Apr 1890 Bus Driver
Chritiana Llewellyn Williams 04 Mar 1889 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Ronald Llewellyn Williams 10 Apr 1912 Coalyard Labourer

NB - There is NO Llewellyn for either of the above on image - there is something which looks like Ll after the first names (this could also be for Lloyd?? )

Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
WILLIAMS Ronald G A L Lloyd Bridgend 11a 1768


Deaths Jun 1962 (>99%)
WILLIAMS Christiana S L 73 Bridgend 8b 11

Dea x

I am in contact with the other Tree Owner and am waiting for his response to my request for info on where he he got his facts.

I don't think its a spanner in the works Daeq as I am almost certain that the Bridgend girl is not the one. Your info confirms this I think

Gerry

I have just managed to talk to my Tree owner who tells me that Christina came from Shropshire and that is all that is know about her!!!

Well, that's a start then Gerry - I have looked on 1911 and I think it is now confirmed that the Bridgend one is not yours - see below - She and Nehemiah are living 2 doors from each other:


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
20 Bangor Street Nantyffyllon, Higher Llangynwyd, Glamorganshire, Wales

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Elizabeth Lewis Widow Widow Female - 50 1861 Maesteg Glam
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Ethel Lewis Daughter Single Female - 11 1900 Maesteg Glam
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Brynmar Lewis Son Single Male - 13 1898 Maesteg Glam
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William Connally Lodger Single Male Collier Hewer 26 1885 Maesteg Glam
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Nehemiah Williams Lodger Single Male Collier Hewer 21 1890 Llanfestinog Monmouthshire




1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
24 Bangor Street Nantyffyllon, Higher Llangynwyd, Glamorganshire, Wales

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Household Members
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John Lloyd Head Widower Male Labourer Below Ground 63 1848 Fishguard Pem
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Margaret Lloyd Daughter Single Female - 27 1884 Maesteg Glam
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Christiana S Lloyd Daughter Single Female - 22 1889 Maesteg Glam
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Auentin Edgar Lloyd Son Single Male Schackler Below Ground 14 1897 Maesteg Glam
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John Williams Lodger Single Male Platerer Labourer 36 1875 Swansea Glam
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John Harris Lodger Single Male Plasterer 28 1883 Plymouth

Dea x

Gordon's Army Record is on Ancestry and shows that he was in India until October 1914; the couple had a child in May 1915, so, unless she was born prematurely, either she wasn't Gordon's or she was conceived while he was in or on his way back from India.

Also, his record shows that he was in France at the time of the marriage, so must have got leave, probably why the marriage was by licence.

(Evelyn May born 7/5/15, according to below)

Chris :)

Royal Artillery Attestations 1883-1942 (Find My Past)

Gordon Wallace 1893 Aberlour (Banffshire) 757198


Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
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Wallace Evelyn M Lloyd Woolwich 1d 2223


(any chance of her Birth being Scotland, as Gordon)

https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

Nothing coming up on SP. There is one Christina in Ireland's birth but that one appears to be on the Irish 1901 census with a father William.

I don't know if this is connected, but I was trying to find out from electoral registers who lived at the Charlinch Cottages in 1915.

I couldn't find Charlinch- but from tracing the people that were living there in 1911, I discovered the cottages were listed under '1 & 2 Sharpe's Yard" on the electoral register.

So, this is who was living there:

1913
2 Sharpe's Yard- John Tiller

1914
1 Sharpe's Yard- Sidney Hosgood
2 Sharpe's Yard- John Tiller

1915
1 Sharpe's Yard- Sidney Hosgood
2 Sharpe's Yard- John Tiller

One of the witnesses for the marriage was a H L? Tiller

Thanks again everyone

Potty, that is a fabulous army record for Gordon. Had his left foot 4th toe amputated after being shot in the foot!! I spent ages printing it off last night. Never thought to look at his dates against what else we know. Thanks

Evelyn Mai Wallace was definitely born in Woolwich on 7/5/1915

Good thinking Austin.

Gerry

Gerry Is it not worth searching for her fathers service Records....?

I have looked everywhere for those Erin but have not been able to find any trace and there are hundreds of John Lloyd's !! :-(

Dea x