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Trying to trace Helen Egan born about 1906 lived in Manchester . Married Herbert Tomlinson 1931. Any advise as she is not coming up on lists. May have used a different name to marry. Many thanks Tracey Tomlinson .

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Marriage for ref

urname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1931 (>99%)
Egan Helen Tomlinson Manchester S. 8d 271

Tomlinson Herbert Egan Manchester S. 8d 271

Andy

Up to six possible children in manchester up to 1946. Won't post as could be living.

Andy

Could someone please check the 1939 register for a date of birth etc.

Andy

Births Jun 1903 (>99%)

EGAN Helen Barrow F. 8e 828

Maybe she was born abroad ??


Helen Egan
in the New York, State Census, 1915


Name:
Helen Egan

Birth Year:
abt 1903

Birth Place:
United States

Age:
12

Residence Place:
New York, Bronx

Relationship:
Daughter


Thomas F Egan 50
Elizabeth F Egan 48
Joseph T Egan 21
Elizabeth F Egan 18
John Egan 15
Helen Egan 12

Don't discount the fact that she might have been ELLEN

I would start by buying the marriage certificate. This will give you a better idea of her age so you can work out a date of birth, her address at the time of marriage and it should give you her father's name and occupation all of which help confirm or find information.

One of the possible children looks to have been Eric, born 1935 so I was wondering about this 1939

16 Eskrigge Street , Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England

Helen Livesey (Tomlinson) 12 Aug 1906 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 134 1
RECORD CLOSED
Eric Tomlinson 21 Feb 1935 Male At School Single 134 3
RECORD CLOSED
RECORD CLOSED

There are also three others whose records are closed.

However, it looks as though Helen's maiden name would have been Livesey, so may be another family?

One of the children:-

First name(s) WALTER
Last name TOMLINSON
Birth year 1933
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
(Mother's last name EGAN)
District PADDINGTON
County London
Country England
Volume 1A
Page 37
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

Looks to have died very young:-

First name(s) WALTER
Last name TOMLINSON
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1933
Age 0
Death quarter 1
Death year 1933
District PADDINGTON
County London
Volume 1A
Page 44
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain


...............this would mean that there would have been only one other child older than Eric and there were two other children born after him and before the 1939 census, so 1939 may be correct ????

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Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1958
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
TOMLINSON Helen Patrica LIVESEY Arthur Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester MCR/250/242

Tracey -
how have you come by the YOB of c1906?

Is that from her marriage cert?

Assuming you are correct re her YOB, and assuming she was born in Lancashire, then, going with Mike's suggestion that she may have been registered as Ellen rather than Helen , there are a couple of possible births. (But that's a lot of assuming.):

Births Mar 1906
Egan Ellen Barton I. 8c 681

Births Dec 1905 (>99%)
Egan Ellen Salford 8d 20



There's another possible one in Wales:
Births Sep 1906
Egan Ellen Bedwellty 11a 99

Or she might have been Eileen:

Births Jun 1906 (>99%)
Egan Eileen Chorlton 8c 734

Just in case she was Eileen - but pointless guessing - get the marriage cert if you don't already have it:

Eileen Egan
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Eileen Egan
Age in 1911: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1906
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: South Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 146 Hyde Rd West Gorton Manchester
Occupation: School
Registration district: Chorlton
Registration District Number: 464
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 55
Piece: 23756
Household Members:
Name Age
James Egan 38
Lucy Egan 33
James Egan 12
Lucy Egan 10
Margaret Egan 8
Norah Egan 6
Eileen Egan 5
Veronica Egan 3
Mary Egan 1
Elizabeth Carter 20

????


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) HELEN
Last name LIVESEY
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1904
Age 58
Death quarter 2
Death year 1962
District MANCHESTER
County Lancashire
Volume 10E
Page 86
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

(c) brightsolid online publishing ltd

Re the 1939 register .........

Livesey (Tomlinson) Household (2 People) 16 Eskrigge Street , Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Helen Livesey (Tomlinson) 12 Aug 1906 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Eric Tomlinson 21 Feb 1935 At School


If you look at the image, her name is shown as Tomlinson, then crossed out and Livesey written above it in green, with some letters and numbers written in the left hand column

This means that a correction was made AFTER her second marriage. The 1939 Register was used as the basis for the NHS Register in 1947, and was continually updated with future marriages, and deaths from then to about 1991, . FMP is now updating.

For some unknown reason, FMP Preview shows the LAST married name with previous surnames in brackets.

This seems to be confusing lots of people.

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
Print transcription
First name(s) ERIC
Last name TOMLINSON
Gender Male
Birth day 21
Birth month 2
Birth year 1935
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1998
District LANCASTER
District number 5872B
Register number B1C
Entry number 092
Date of registration mm/yy 0598
County Lancashire
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

Eric was also born in London

Births Jun 1935 (>99%)
Tomlinson Eric Egan Paddington 1a 6

Marriage: 3 Sep 1904 St James, Broughton, Lancs.
George Tomlinson - 35, Fireman, Bachelor, Newton Heath
Elizabeth Hannah Minay - 23, Spinster, 21 Eskrigge Street
Groom's Father: John Tomlinson, Platelayer
Bride's Father: William Minay, Organ Builder
Witness: William Edge Brandreth; Ada Minay
Married by Banns by: C. E. Stewart, Rector
Register: Marriages 1904 - 1913, Page 12, Entry 23
Source: Original Parish Register


(above comes up on google search, if relating)


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1905

EGAN Ellen Pendleton Salford PEN/189/41


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1906

EGAN Ellen Barton on Irwell Salford BAR/100/38

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1931

EGAN Helen TOMLINSON Herbert Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Manchester CHO_RM/373/154

(2 possible female Births on above link)


1939 Register (Find My Past)

19 Eskrigge Street , Salford C.B., Lancashire,
Phoebe Tomlinson 06 Dec 1861 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single
Sarah B Tomlinson 23 Oct 1865 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single

(above also comes up for 'Eskrigge', if they related, Phoebe Death 1942 in Newspaper)


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1898

EGAN James O'SULLIVAN Lucy Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library MCR

(looks to be above Parents for the 'Eileen' Egan 1911)


http://www.curiousfox.com/vill100/Lancashire11167_1.html

(I am looking for relitives that lived here. herbert tomlinson married helen egan in 1931 could anyone the me anything about them or there familys....)

Thank you all so much I'm over whelmed with your responses . I have marriage cert for Helen and Herbert Tomlinson 1931 have the family on Tomlinson side. Helen says her father was a collier name Thomas Egan. Looked for him too, nothing. They lived 5 new bank st Ardwick Manchester . I did go down the Livesey route and got the marriage certificate but was wrong one... But thank you all so so much I'm amazed. Have been trying to trace her for long time now but with illness can get out and about like I would need to. Many many thanks.... Bless you all..

Who were the witness's on marriage cert and was she roman catholic,church of england or other.Did it say her dad was deceased?

Maryb.