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Trying to find marriage or death of above. Born 1879 London /middx Father Richard Foster occupation printer i believe ancestry give fathers on line?

Florence Foster

England and Wales Census, 1881

Name Florence Foster
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Shoreditch, London,Middlesex, England
Registration District Shoreditch
Residence Note Shrubland Road
Gender Female
Age 2
Marital Status (Original) Single

Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1879
Birthplace Middlesex, England
Page Number 3
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 408/59
Affiliate Record Type Household



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

Richard B Foster Head M 24 Middlesex, England
Eliza Foster Wife F 25 Middlesex, England
Richard Foster Son M 4 M Middlesex, England
Florence Foster Daughter F 2 Middlesex, England
William Mathews Brother In Law M 22 Middlesex, England
Alfred Mathews Brother In Law M 21 Middlesex, England

the only births in Middlesex 1879 for Florence


Births Jun 1879 (>99%)

Foster Florence Eleanor Shoreditch 1c 69



Births Dec 1879 (>99%)

Foster Florence Annie Kingston 2a 299

Possibly the same family in 1891:-

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Myddleton Place, Clerkenwell, Holborn, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Richard Foster Head Married Male 34 1857 Printer St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Eliza Foster Wife Married Female 35 1856 - Cripplegate
Florence Foster Daughter Single Female 12 1879 Scholar Middlesex, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Richard Foster Son Single Male 10 1881 Scholar Kingsland
Alfred Foster Son Single Male 10 1881 Scholar Kingsland
Charlotte Foster Daughter Single Female 7 1884 Scholar Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Edward Foster Son Single Male 4 1887 - Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England

Kath. x

THANK YOU I have that info. Cannot find her after 1891 census. I assume she married, but can not find one That is the right family/ (Alfred (her brother) was my grandfather. Trying to follow the rest of the family tree. Flo is proving hard. I have her sister, as I new her It does not help that the family kept using the same name for the males !!

????? Based on husband's occupation of Printer's Assistant

1911
Florence Eleanor Short
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: St Luke, London, England
Civil Parish: Cann Hall
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 6 Crownfield Rd, Stratford
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 11
Estimated Marriage Year: 1900
Registration district: West Ham
Registration District Number: 188
Sub-registration district: South Leyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 287
Piece: 9617

William Henry Short 30 - Printer's Assistant b Clerkenwell
Florence Eleanor Short 32
Florence E Short 10 - Romford, Essex
William H Short 8 - Romford Essex
Herbert Edward Short 6 -Bow, London
Ivy Lillian Short 3 -West Ham, Essex
Ernest Richard Short 1 - West Ham, Essex

Marriages Jun 1900 (>99%)
Foster Florence Eleanor Islington 1b 733 xxxx
Harvey William Griffiths Islington 1b 733
Pilfold Rose Florence Islington 1b 733
Short William Henry Islington 1b 733 xxxx

Same family on 1901

Florence Short
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: William Short
Birth Place: Hoxton, London, England
Civil Parish: Romford

Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Romford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: Romford
Sub-registration district: Romford
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1646
Folio: 111
Page Number: 16
Household schedule number: 86
Household Members:
Name Age
William Short 20 - Electrical Assistant
Florence Short 22
Florence Short 2 Weeks
James Short 53 - William's father, b Southwark, Occupation Printer

a Public Family tree has the following for the Short -- Foster marriage


Florence Eleanor Foster

1879–

Birth 03 03 1879 • Shoreditch, London

Parents

Richard Benjamin Foster 1857–1906

Eliza Matthews 1856–1901




got to go ..................

Thank you all so much. That is the right marriage
Sylvia , where is the public family tree please? As may have more about the family

Pauline there are a few public trees for this family on Ancestry.

One has quite a few records for Florence they have this as the date of marriage to William Short:

07 Jun 1900
Register Office,Islington

They have five children listed for marriage:

Florence Eleanor Short 1901–1960
William Henry Jn Short 1902–1971
Herbert Edward Short 1904–1983
Ivy Lillian Short 1907–1985
Ernest Richard Short 1909–1984
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They have a second marriage for William in 1924:

William H Short
Annie E Staff
Date of Registration 1924 - Apr-May-Jun[1924]
Registration district Romford
Inferred County Essex
Volume Number 4a Page number 1177

Which fits with this 1939 register record:

Short Household (3 People)
The Lainds Croydon Lane , Banstead U.D., Surrey, England

William H Short 22 Nov 1880 Male Printer Machine Minder Married
Annie E Short 16 Jul 1885 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Amelia J Staff 24 Jan 1863 Female Old Age Pensioner Widowed

The tree will be on Ancestry and also has the following:

Marriage:
Fact Details
07 Jun 1900
Register Office,Islington
Spouse
William Henry Short




Spouse & Children

William Henry Short

1880–1956
Florence Eleanor Short 1901–1960
William Henry Jn Short 1902–1971
Herbert Edward Short 1904–1983
Ivy Lillian Short
Ivy Lillian Short 1907–1985
Ernest Richard Short
Ernest Richard Short 1909–1984


It shows her death as:

Death: 01 06 1963 (1 Jun 1963) - Kent, England

No idea how accurate this is as many trees on there are pure fiction!!!

Worth checking up on those facts though.

Dea x

OOooops - sorry Austin - I took so long to type it that you had posted those details already before me ;-)

Dea x

It would be on Ancestry.. You could take out a 14 day trial as long as you remember to cancel before its up.alternatively you can access Ancestry for free at most UK public libraries.

There are several trees, one of which is owned by 'Kelly Salkilld', tree named 'Kelly Salkilld family tree'.

They don't have the dod for Florence but have attached various ER, the last being 1970 with her living in Surbiton, Surrey.

They give husband & children as

William Henry Short
1880–1956

Florence Eleanor Short 1901–1960 m Ernest Albert Shaw 1900–1981

William Henry Jn Short 1902–1971 m Violet Evelyn Berry 1907–1994

Herbert Edward Short 1904–1983 m Mary A E Silver 1905–

Ivy Lillian Short 1907–1985 m Henry Arthur Bundle1906–1968

Ernest Richard Short 1909–1984 m Joan Elizabeth Gallon 1916–1997

They are related via the Silver line

EDIT - already posted!!

The same tree that has a second marriage listed for William also has an electoral register record for 1970 for Florence living in Altone Way, Sutton & Cheam with a Herbert Wright.

EDIT: I'm not sure this is correct!!

Thanks Guys. I did try ancestry( 2 weeks trial)but did not find it so easy to follow, so did not pursue the membership .As my research will mostly be with parish records now, I hope to find out more about my ancetors

They must have divorced as he married again in 1924 (according to one of those trees) and he is certainly with this second wife in 1939

Not found Florence in 1939

Jude

Sorry didn't refresh screen!!!!

That same tree has her on the electoral register in 1938 with these people (taken from 1939 register):

Bundle Household (4 People) 39 Green Wrythe Lane , Carshalton U.D., Surrey, England

Lilian I (Ivy) Ashenden (Bundle) 30 Jun 1907 Female Part Time Domestic Duties Paid Married
Arthur H Bundle 04 Aug 1906 Male General Labourer Married
Neville A Bundle 01 May 1930 Male At School Single
Anthony B Bundle 21 Jul 1938 Male Under School Age Single

Ivy Lilian was Florence's daughter

Yes Austin I was just looking at this...Ivy is her daughter. So she's with them in 1938 but not in 1939

Jude

http://tinyurl.com/zeklheb

Divorce Court File: 1647. Appellant: William Henry Short. Respondent: Florence Eleanor...

Reference: J 77/1969/1647

Description:

Divorce Court File: 1647. Appellant: William Henry Short. Respondent: Florence Eleanor Short. Co-respondent: William Alexander Jones and William Sparkes. Type: Husband's petition for divorce [hd].

Date: 1923

Held by: The National Archives, Kew

Legal status: Public Record

Language: English

Closure status: Open Document, Open Description

I had already looked at this marriage...

Marriages Sep 1922 (>99%)
JONES William A Short Rochford 4a 1802
Short Florence E Jones Rochford 4a 1802

So bigamously I guess!

Jude