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Good Afternoon everyone
Please could I ask for help with: The family of Josiah crook and mary crook (nee Hulme) they were married July 1872 in Manchester.Josiah does a vanishing act after 1881 to find gold I suppose in mexico ( I have this info somewhere) On the 1911 census Josiah's brother: Richard crook takes the lead as head of the household and he fathers a baby with mary crook (nee Hulme) she is : Elizabeth Alice Crook born 1894 in Salford..They state that 11 children were alive.8 are still living and 3 have died
These are the children of Josiah and mary:
Josiah 1873
mary e 1875
William h 1879 ( whome I cannot find :-| )
Frederick 1881
florence1884
edith e1886
Emily 1891
its all quite baffling as to whome the children belong to after 1881 :-S
Any help most welcome.Thank you <3

the family for reference


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
19, Sussex Street, Gorton, Chorlton, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Josiah Crook Head Married Male 30 1851 Blacksmith Lancashire, England
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Mary Crook Wife Married Female 29 1852 - Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
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Josiah Crook Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Lancashire, England
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Mary E Crook Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Gorton, Lancashire, England
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William H Crook Son Single Male 3 1878 - Gorton, Lancashire, England
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Frederick Crook Son Single Male 1 1880 - Gorton, Lancashire, England
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Caroline Bradley Servant Single Female 11 1870 Nurse Maid Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
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Census details
First name(s) Josiah
Last name Crook
Relationship Son
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 8
Birth year 1873
Occupation Scholar
Birth town -
Birth town as transcribed MCHR
Birth county Lancashire
Birth county as transcribed LANCASHIRE
Birth place England
House number 19
Street Sussex Street
Town -
Parish Gorton
County Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Chorlton
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 3902
Folio 119
Page 23
Record set 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Viaduct Street, Beswick, Prestwich, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mary Crook Head Married Female 38 1853 - Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
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Josiah Crook Son Single Male 17 1874 Assistant Raiser In A Cotton Mill Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Mary E Crook Daughter Single Female 16 1875 Shirtmaker West Gorton, Lancashire, England
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William H Crook Son Single Male 12 1879 Scholar West Gorton, Lancashire, England
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Frederick Crook Son Single Male 10 1881 Scholar West Gorton, Lancashire, England
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Richard A Crook Son Single Male 8 1883 Scholar West Gorton, Lancashire, England
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Florence Crook Daughter Single Female 7 1884 Scholar West Gorton, Lancashire, England
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Edith E Crook Daughter Single Female 5 1886 Scholar West Gorton, Lancashire, England
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Emily Crook Daughter Single Female 0 1891 - Beswick, Lancashire, England
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William Crook Father Widower Male 75 1816 Engine & Machine Smith Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Richard Crook Uncle Widower Male 33 1858 Engine & Machine Smith Manchester, Lancashire, England
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Census details
First name(s) Josiah
Last name Crook
Relationship Son
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 17
Birth year 1874
Occupation Assistant Raiser In A Cotton Mill
Birth town Manchester
Birth town as transcribed MANCHESTER
Birth county Lancashire
Birth county as transcribed LANCASHIRE
Birth place England
Street Viaduct Street
Town -
Parish Beswick
City Manchester
County Lancashire
Registration district Prestwich
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 3260
Folio 40
Page 20
Record set 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
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Am presuming he is claiming all the children are his to save face that they aren't a married couple

Yes and thanks to you both :-)
could someone check births for me please for all the children <3

ive never found a marriage for them any where Shirley..So yes

So if Josiah has done a runner after the 1881 census when they only had 3 children the I would get the Birth cert of the next child born before 1883 to see who the father is

He may have gone walkabout soon after the 1881 census

Would she have a child in 1883 by his brother then had more children by Josiah to 1890 ?

There is a rather long gap between mary and William,please could someone check for me

Well Emily is his

Baltism 2.7.1890 All Saints Ancoats, Lancashire, England
Emily Crook - [Child] of Josiah Crook & Mary
Abode: 80 Viaduct St.
Occupation: Blacksmith
Baptised by: George A. Fry
Register: Baptisms 1888 - 1891, Page 165, Entry 1315
Source: LDS Family Search
This is the only one that comes up

Where is Elizabeth Alice on the census ??
There is a Richard. 1883 and a Florence 1884. So where does she fit in

This may be William Henry


Births Dec 1877 (>99%)
Crook William Henry Chorlton 8c 497

Would show as born 1878 on census , may be an error on census

she use's jus Alice on the 1911 census shirley

I know all the Manchester births are quire sketchy and hard to find :-(

Did you mean Elizabeth Alice born 1894 not 1884 as that is the only one born in Salford between 1880 & 1899

Births Dec 1894 (>99%)
Crook Elizabeth Alice Salford 8d 162

she was born c 1894 not 1884 !

Richard Crook
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Mary Crook
Birth Place: Tyldesley, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Salford
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Ecclesiastical parish: Ordsall in Salford St Clement
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3737
Folio: 7
Page Number: 6
Household schedule number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Crook 44
Mary Crook 49
William H Crook 22
Richard A Crook 19
Edith E Crook 15
Emily Crook 10
Elizabeth A Crook 6 born Salford


So Emily was Josiah child then Marynwent 4, years to having Elizabeth by Richard

Would say she is the first child by Richard unless any of the deceased children were his too

could be him 1884

Manchester Rate Books 1706-1900 Transcription

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First name(s) Josiah
Last name Crook
Occupier's first name(s) Josiah
Occupier's last name Crook
Owner's first name(s) L
Owner's last name Rostron
Date Feb 1887
Year 1887
Address Gorton Lane
Location Gorton Township
Title of record Rate Assessments
Archive reference M 10/13/5/45
Record set Manchester Rate Books 1706-1900
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Rate Books
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Well he was around till c 1890 when Emily was baptised

yes that looks like him

http://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1183790

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1231005

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1303278

(He left Manchester in Nov 1888 and worked on the Anglo-Chilli Nitrate Railway Company, Tocopilla, Chilli, as a blacksmith.)

(do above relate here?)

Chris :)

(things 'Crook' usually relating found on google search!)