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Hi all, new member here. After discovering my grandfather's old leather passport i'm interested in sharing some information with any relatives related to George Frizzell of Greenock born 1920 and also any info related to my paternal grandfather Harry Leonard Simms born Hull 1914. :-)

Welcome to the boards Kerensky.

Use the Search facility top right of this page. Click on that and then on Search all members trees. Input Harry's details without the Leonard and you'll find there are 3 members who have his name in their trees. You can click on their names and send a personal message to them - explain who you are and what information you might be hoping to find. Hopefully you will get an answer, but you might not - not everyone uses GR to make contact, but just to store their tree.

Try the same for George.

Make sure you have them in your own tree on here.

Using this free site for bmd's from Q3 1837 when registration began to around the 1960's or so at present as it's an ongoing project (not Scotland though)

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Is this your grandad? The birth was registered Q1 1915, so could have been born mid-ish November onwards 1914 as there was 6 weeks allowed in which to register a birth.

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) HARRY L
Last name SIMMS
Birth year 1915
Birth quarter 1
Mother's last name ELIASEN
District HULL
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9D
Page 574

That's awesome thanks. I have a dim distant recollection of the name ELIASEN associated with my great grandmother although i never met her. I shall order Harry's birth certificate based on this info as it appears correct. Thanks again for your help. Ideally I am looking for records for 3 generations both paternal and maternal and ideally including birth, marriage and death certificates.

Here's his death so looks like the birth record is viable.


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) HARRY LEONARD
Last name SIMMS
Gender Male
Birth day 4
Birth month 12
Birth year 1914
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1993
District CENTRAL CLEVELAND
District number 3481C
Register number C42
Entry number 186
Date of registration mm/yy 0793


Was there a brother born 1928 in Sculcoates?

Fantastic! Thanks for your help alviegal and greyghost, i've now ordered both my grandads birth and death certificate thanks. Now how do i locate his marriage certificate to my grandmother Margaret Elizabeth Louisa Stella Simms (formerly Hawkins). I seem to recall her friends called her Stella.

his parents marriage

Amanda M Eliassen
mentioned in the record of Simms and Amanda M Eliassen
Name Amanda M Eliassen
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1914
Registration District Hull
County Yorkshire
Event Place Hull, Yorkshire, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911) Simms
Volume 9D
Page 438
Line Number 123

Amanda M Eliassen probably married one of the following people
Name Frank H Simms

Was there a brother born 1928 in Sculcoates?

My best guess is that all my grandparents very likely had a few siblings. I'll probably never know but it makes sense that they would have come from large families as this was the norm back then.

this must be harry's mother in 1911 census


Amanda Matilda Eliasson
England and Wales Census, 1911
Name Amanda Matilda Eliasson
Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
County Yorkshire (East Riding)
Parish Holy Trinity And St Mary
Sub-District Myton
Registration District Hull
Gender Female
Age 18
Birthplace Hull, Yorkshire
Record Type Household

Hello malyon, well that is truly fascinating. Records for my great grandparents???? How deep does this pool go :-) If the certificates pan out for my grandad I think my great grandparents will be the next step. I did say in my initial post, 3 generations seemed like a realistic goal. I note Scottish certificate records appear to offer more stepping stone opportunities.

his farther

Frank H Simms
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name Frank H Simms
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year 1965
Registration District Hull
County Yorkshire
Event Place Hull, Yorkshire, England
Age (available after 1866) 73
Birth Year (Estimated) 1892
Volume 2A
Page 275
Line Number 134

Whow I must save this page as it will be very helpful when I order the certificates from the GRO. Thank you for your kind input malyon. I have a plan to have an artist create a lovely genealogy tree for me when it's done.

How would I locate marriage certificates?

Marriages Mar 1914 (>99%)
ELIASSEN Amanda M Simms Hull 9d 438

thats the marriage and the number if you look in bdm it will tell you how to get certificate

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

i dont think amanda m was born in uk as i cant see a birth for her

Hello malyon, yes i think you are absolutely correct. So tonight I have order the marriage license to my great grandparents Frank Simms & Amanda Eliassen and also the birth and death certificate to my grandfather Harry Simms.

Also I recall as a child some 3 decades ago stories that one of my great grandparents was of Scandinavian extract. Perhaps the marriage license might provide some clues?

This is very intriguing indeed. So I know that I have Scottish relations via my maternal grandfather and also some possible Scandinavian links that needs further investigating.

Looks like she couldn't decide what to call herself - Margaret L E S or Stella, but note there are 2 surnames, so possibly married previously? And his name is here as SIMS

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1955 (>99%)

DYE Margaret L E S SIMS Durham S.E. 1a 1796 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
DYE Stella SIMS Durham S.E. 1a 1796 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
HAWKINS Margaret L E S SIMS Durham S.E. 1a 1796 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
PATTISON Raymond RAISBECK Durham S.E. 1a 1796
PATTISON Raymond TROMACK Durham S.E. 1a 1796
RAISBECK Joyce PATTISON Durham S.E. 1a 1796
SIMS Harry L DYE Durham S.E. 1a 1796 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
SIMS Harry L HAWKINS Durham S.E. 1a 1796 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
TROMACK Joyce PATTISON Durham S.E. 1a 1796

Birth of son 1955 Middlesborough shows mothers LAST name of Dye. This normally refers to her maiden name but there was a Margaret L E S Hawkins born 1920 in the Middlesborough RD (mmn Cook)

Full 1911 census for Amanda

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
5 Albert Terrace Bean ST, Holy Trinity and St Mary, Yorkshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Elias Eliasson Head Married Male Sailor Seaman Mercht 55 1856 - SWEDEN
Alma Matilda Eliasson Wife Married Female - 55 1856 - NORWAY
Eugenie Reinhartsen Stepdaughter Single Female General Servant Domestic 30 1881 Hampshire Southampton
Amanda Matilda Eliasson Daughter Single Female Bookfolder 18 1893 Yorkshire Hull

Says married 26 years - 5 children were born alive to the marriage, 2 are still living but 3 have died.

greyghost thanks for your research, yes you are quite right my grandmother had quite a long name indeed. Margaret Elizabeth Louisa Stella Simms (formerly Hawkins)...having just checked my father's birth certificate you are spot on! It does state 'Dye' formerly Hawkins of 36 Freehold street Hull but that was in 1947.

I can only assume therefore that my grandfather was her second husband (a revelation!)

'Margaret L E S Hawkins born 1920 in the Middlesbrough RD (mmn Cook)' Seems like a very strong likelihood.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
11, George Street, Southampton St Mary, Southampton, Hampshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Matilda Reinhartsen Wife Head Married Female 30 1851 Yachtsmans Wife Norway
August J Reinhartsen Son Single Male 2 1879 - Southampton, Hampshire, England
Johan Olsen Brother Single Male 23 1858 Seaman Norway
Thomine Reinhartsen Sister In Law Single Female 25 1856 Servant Norway
Unten Neilsen Boarder Single Male 32 1849 Seaman Norway
Eugene Reinhartsen Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Southampton, Hampshire, England

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) AUGUST JOHAN A
Last name REINHARTSEN
Gender Male
Birth year 1879
Age 3
Death quarter 4
Death year 1882
District HULL
County Yorkshire
Volume 9D
Page 179
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007


England Deaths and Burials 1538-1991 Transcription

First name(s) August Johan Anchor
Last name Reinhartsen
Event year 1882
Burial year 1882
Burial date 25 Nov 1882
Burial place Hull, York, England
Place Hull
County Yorkshire
Father's last name Reinhartsen
Mother's first name(s) Matilda
Mother's last name Knudsen
Country England

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England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) THORVAL AUGUST
Last name REINHARTSEN
Gender Male
Birth year 1883
Age 1
Death quarter 3
Death year 1884
District HULL
County Yorkshire
Volume 9D
Page 177