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hi ozbird also like to thank you for all the information you have found it has given me new leads thankyou :-) :-)

hi choccy all the information seems it could be who i am looking for and maybe thats why james killed himself as his mother died the same year 1847 thank you for looking up this information it has given new leads to look in to i know william put down on cencers1861 that he was born folkstone but then maybe his father moved barrecks and was christened there :-)

http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/


Chatham, St Mary the Virgin

Baptism

December 2nd 1821

Rebecca, daughter of William and Eleanor Hewitt

Residence - Chatham

Occupation - Gunner, R.N.

Please bear with me, Christine, because I THINK I'm onto something.

I was looking for a baptism for William with no luck and came across this one for a James which fits 1841 census and the news report.
"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Name: James Walker Hewitt
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 1825
Christening Place: CHATHAM, KENT, ENGLAND
Birth Date: 1825
Father's Name: William Hewitt
Mother's Name: Eleanor
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C16606-2



Then I checked for other children with the same parents and found this ....
"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Name: William Hewitt
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 11 Apr 1819
Christening Place: SAINT NICHOLAS, DEPTFORD, LONDON, ENGLAND
[Deptford St. Nicholas is the parish which includes the royal marine barracks. (See census later.)]
Father's Name: William Hewitt
Mother's Name: Eleanor
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00162-2

.... and this.
Name: Rebecca Hewitt
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 02 Dec 1821
Christening Place: Chatham, Kent, England
Father's Name: William Hewitt
Mother's Name: Eleanor
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02178-6


So then I looked for William (snr) & Eleanor's marriage.
"England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name William Hewitt
Spouse's Name Eleanor Walker
Event Date 14 Nov 1814
Event Place Stoke Damerel, Devon, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number M05242-1



From there I went to the censuses and found this .
1841 England Census
Name: William Hewitt
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1776
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Stoke Damerell <<<<<<<
Hundred: Devonport Borough
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address: Duke Street
Occupation:Navy <<<<<<<<<< (Royal Marine Barracks fits with this.)
Registration District: Stoke Damerel
Sub-registration District: Clowance
Piece: 272
Book: 2
Folio: 26
Page Number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
William Hewitt 65
Eleanor Hewitt 55
Rebecca Hewitt 20
None of them is born in the county. Whether they are born in the county or not is all you get for birthplace in 1841.


and unfortunately, I found this too.
Deaths Mar 1847 Hewitt Eleanor Plymouth 9 282


I can't find Rebecca or William snr in 1851 though there is this.
Marriages Mar 1849
Andrews John Christopher Plymouth 9 425
Burdock Mary Plymouth 9 425
Hewitt Rebecca Plymouth 9 425
Negus Fysher Plymouth 9 425
Rabbidge James Plymouth 9 425
Scobell Mary Jane Vyvyan Plymouth 9 425
Scoble Emily Plymouth 9 425
Williams John Beckett Plymouth 9 425
Williams John Birkett Plymouth 9 425

I found Fysher Negus married to Mary J V Scobell in the 1871 census.

As I wrote at the beginning, I only think this may be a chance.

if William Hewitt was a goldsmith then the Goldsmiths Company may have information on him.. if you can't go there you can write to them:

http://www.thegoldsmiths.co.uk/library/research-guides-reading-lists/researching-family-history-in-the-library/

hi gwyn thank you that is very nice of you to do that for me i be so pleased if you do find him :-)

William seems to be sure that he was born in Folkestone.

When I get a chance I will look for him in parish registers of baptism which are on film in Folkestone library.
....maybe later this week or next.

Gwyn

hi chris thats intresting bit of information you have found i do think james is willams brother but i wonder where the mother and father are i can not find any thing of their birth thank you for digging further :-)

http://www.dover-kent.com/Plume-of-Feathers.html

(from above on google, if relating)

From the Dover Telegraph and Cinque Ports General Advertiser, Saturday, 22 May, 1847. Price 5d.

MELONCHOLY SUICIDE
A Coroner’s inquest was held on Saturday evening at eight o’clock, before G. T. Thompson, Esq., Coroner for the Borough, at the “Plume of Feathers,” Limekiln Street, on the body of James Hewitt, aged 25 years, who was employed as malt-man at Messrs. Pages’ brewery.

Chris :)

1841 censers all the people on there are all in there teens except william who is 25 years old i wonder if this is some sort of home or school sorry i got dates wrong annie maria is the eldest child for william and maria :-)

hi every one all the information looks good and thirsk did marry 1862 and died 1875 and he had one daughter with ann maria hewitt called annie 1866 also a will left by benjamin and al the panyne family could check out on1861 there was not a daughter caroline as she is visiting she must be the eldest as as annie maria born1843 on this censers thank you every one for looking in to this and have got a lot to look in to in the censers 1841 i wonder if james is williams brother and any ideas on finding williams mother and father :-)

Name: Caroline Hewit
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 19 Oct 1845 (Born 15 August 1845)
Father's Name: William Hewit (Coachman)
Mother's Name: Maria Hewit
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers
(Liverpool Road)


Marriages Jun 1867 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------
HEWITT Caroline E. London 1c 36
MILES William E. London 1c 36

Chris :)

1861
WHEELER, George Head Married M 28 1833 Ship Steward
Fawley, Hampshire
WHEELER, Elizabeth Wife Married F 24 1837
All Saints Southampton
WHEELER, Mary Ann Mother Widow F 50 1811 Formerly Stewardess
..., Somerset
HEWITT, Caroline Visitor F 15 1846
St Luke London
WHEELER, Agnes Visitor F 7 1854
St Johns Ryde Isle of Wright
Piece: 677
Folio: 136
Page: 39
Registration District: Southampton
Civil Parish: All Saints
Municipal Borough: Southampton
Address: 16a, Clifton Terrace, All Saints, Southampton
County: Hampshire


edits (not sure if connected, but saw below!)

1841
PAIN, Joseph M 55 1786 Hampshire
PAIN, Sarah F 55 1786 Hampshire
PAIN, Henrietta F 15 1826 Hampshire
PAIN, Anne F 20 1821 Hampshire
PAIN, Elizabeth F 14 1827 Hampshire
HEWETT, Charles M 0 (6 months) 1841 Hampshire
Piece: 404
Book/Folio: 18/21
Page: 1
Registration District: Winchester & Hursley
Civil Parish: Bishops Stoke
Municipal Borough:
Address: Stoke Common, Bishops Stoke
County: Hampshire

1851
PAYNE, Joseph Head Widower M 69 1782 Ag Lab
Crawley, Hampshire
LITTLEFIELD, Ann Daughter Married F 30 1821 Wife
Bp Stoke, Hampshire
PAYNE, Henritta Daughter Unmarried F 28 1823
Bp Stoke, Hampshire
LITTLEFIELD, Thomas Son-In-Law Married M 32 1819 Ag Lab
Otterbourne, Hampshire
HEWETT, Charles Grand Son M 10 1841 Scholar
London, Middlesex
LITTLEFIELD, Thomas Grand Son M 2 1849
Bp Stoke, Hampshire
PAYNE, Henry Grand Son M 2 1849
Bp Stoke, Hampshire
LITTLEFIELD, Elizabeth Grand Daughter F 1 1850
Bp Stoke, Hampshire
Piece: 1675
Folio: 81
Page: 5
Registration District: Winchester
Civil Parish: Bishopstoke
Municipal Borough:
Address: Bishop Stoke Common, Bishopstoke
County: Hampshire

Deaths Mar 1886 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------
Hewitt William 69 Winchester 2c 89


1841 (reference)
HEWITT, William M 25 1816 Kent (Maltster)
HEWITT, James M 15 1826 Kent (Maltster)
ROYCE, Charlotte F 15 1826 Kent
ROYCE, Thomas M 13 1828 Kent
Piece: 494
Book/Folio: 6/44
Page: 5
Registration District: Dover
Civil Parish: St Mary the Virgin
Municipal Borough: Dover
Address: Biggin Street, St Mary The Virgin, Dover
County: Kent

Chris :)

Baptism (FMP)
Day:5
Month:Jul
Year:1818
Son/Daughter:Daughter
Forename:Maria
Surname:Payne
First Parent:John
Second Parent:Sarah
Notes:
Parish:Bishopstoke
County:Hampshire
Record source:Hampshire Baptisms
Data provider:Hampshire Genealogical Society

Baptism (perhaps Sister)
Day:30
Month:Mar
Year:1823
Son/Daughter:Daughter
Forename:Henrietta
Surname:Payne
First Parent:Joseph
Second Parent:Sarah
Notes:
Parish:Bishopstoke
County:Hampshire
Record source:Hampshire Baptisms

That looks interesting Vicci

this could be maria

Name: Maria Paine
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 05 Jul 1818
Christening Place: Bishopstoke, Hampshire, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Paine
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Sarah
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03242-0
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 6358760
Reference ID: 21

Going back to the 1871

Just wondering if Benjamin Thirsk is really this chap



Name: Benjamin Kirk
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Annie Maria Hewitt
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Dec 1862
Parish: Finsbury St Luke
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Joseph Kirk
Spouse Father Name: William Hewitt
Register Type: Parish Register

I thought that would be the case

Thanks

the maiden name on cert is payne :-)

Christine

What is the maiden name of Maria on the 1857 birth cert


Maureen

1841 cencers william is living borough of dover and also a james hewitt born 1826 could this be my william i wonder thank you for your help every little helps :-)