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Can anyone help me find him in the 1901/1911 census, his parents should be Joseph George Morris a carman and Mary Ann Morris. I am struggling to find him.

I am trying to see what info I can trace on this family. as Joshua George Morris and his wife Clara A Morris (nee Davies) fostered my grandfather.

Joshua it appears had a sister Lydia born 1891 Limehouse

Just for ref-here's where sister Lydia was born in 1891:

1891 Census transcription details for: 57, Blackthorn Street, Bromley
RG number RG12
Piece: 322
Folio: 134
Page: 39
Reg. District: Poplar
Sub District: Bromley
Parish: Bromley
Enum. District: 21
Ecclesiastical District: All Hallows Bow Common
City/Municipal Borough: Bromley
Address: 57, Blackthorn Street, Bromley
County: London
CASELTON, Walter Head Married M 46 1845 Photographer
Little Milton, Norfolk
CASELTON, Hannah Wife Married F 41 1850
Westminster, London
GADDLING, George Boarder Single M 42 1849 Photographer
Bethnal Green, London
MILTON, John Boarder Single M 46 1845 Boot Maker
Bethnal Green, London
COLE, Lydia Mother Married F 28 1863
Bromley, London
COLE, Catharine Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar
Bromley, London
COLE, Lydia Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Bromley, London
COLE, Jane Daughter F 3 1888 Scholar
Bromley, London
>>>>MORRIS, Joshua Head Married M 24 1867 Carman
Bromley, London
>>>>>>MORRIS, Mary Ann Wife Married F 24 1867
Limehouse, London


I think the father was actually Joshua George Morris. He seems to have wandered back home to his parents (Christopher and Ellen) by 1901 and claims to be single.

Bit of a job to find Mary Ann and children in 1901!!!! (if all still living,that is....)


Maureen

Do you have his baptism:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Joshua George Morris
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 Jun 1895 - born 12 Jun
Father's Name: Joseph George Morris - Carman
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Morris
Parish or Poor Law Union: Limehouse St Luke
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: 8 Guildford Road, Poplar

EDIT: Family called Pearson at that address on 1901.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Lydia Morris Name: Lydia Morris
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 4 Nov 1891
Born: 12 Oct 1891
Father's Name: Joseph George Morris (Carman)
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Morris
Parish or Poor Law Union: Limehouse St Luke
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers
Abode: 57 Blackthorn Street

I'm not seeing a marriage for a Joshua George Morris to Clara A Davies.

Marriages Jun 1924 (>99%)
Morris Joshua G Davis Greenwich 1d 1826

Found this earlier but can't find a trace of the family and children up to 1911

As Joshua appears in the 1901 as "Single" with his parents, i wonder if perhaps Mary had died and Joshua and Lydia were fostered out and given different names.

??

Name: George Morris>>>>>13 Tidy Street>>>>>Carman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Age: 21
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Butler>>>>4 Tidy Street
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Jun 1890
Parish: Bow Common St Paul
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Christopher Morris>>>>>Lighterman
Spouse Father Name: James Butler
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses William Walter Gale and Emma Hewitt

William Walter Gale married Rachel Butler in 1889. Father James address Tidy Street same as Mary Ann so it appears that they were sisters.

1871 Census shows the family

Household Schedule Number: 158
Piece: 572
Folio: 19
Page Number: 33

thanks everyone for all your help, that has cleared a few things up.

I dont think Joshua George Morris junior had a name change, because he was still that in the 1940s. He and his wife Clara lived at 40 Queens Walk in Harrow and was the address my grandfather gave on his marriage cert (1946). My father was given the middle name Morris, after them.

I am not sure exactly when my grandfather was in their care, he was born in 1924 and joined the navy aged 16, I think he was definately in their care at that time.

I was hoping there might be some descendant of theirs somewhere, that might know about them and their life, to paint a picture of my grandfather;s time with them and maybe pinpoint the home he was in from aged 2. I know he thought highly of them and was the closest thing he had to real parents. Sadly he passed away in 1977 so he is around to ask.

All the childrens homes I have contacted for searches have drawn blanks. I suppose it could of been a hospital for sick children, as he was supposedly quite sick. Maybe as more records come online, I may find out exactly where he was placed at age 2.

and yes I do believe that is Joshua George Morris senior in 1901 back with his parents Christopher and Ellen.

So where is wife Mary Ann and his two children Lydia and Joshua George Junior? and no marriage is found between Joseph George and Mary Ann.

confusing, but I am used to it with my tree believe me, nothing has been straight forward lol.

and yes I do believe that is Joshua George Morris senior in 1901 back with his parents Christopher and Ellen.

So where is wife Mary Ann and his two children Lydia and Joshua George Junior? and no marriage is found between Joseph George and Mary Ann.

confusing, but I am used to it with my tree believe me, nothing has been straight forward lol.

Joshua George snr seems to change his name quite a bit, christened under Joshua George, and appearing on census under Joshua - can't understand why he married as just George and then appears on children's christenings os Joseph George.

Joshua George Morris
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 5 Apr 1868 - born 2/12/67
Father's Name: Christopher Morris (lighterman)
Mother's Name: Ellen Morris
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bromley St Leonard St Mary
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

Same day, a job lot - Ellen, 15/5/62, Christopher Thomas, 6/11/65 & William Frederice 13/4/66

I wonder if this is his death?

Joshua George Morris
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1903
Age at Death: 35
Registration District: St Marylebone
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 303

Possibility?

Lydia Morris
Age: 5
Birth Date: 15 Oct 1891 (3 days out from christening)
School: St Bride's And Bridewell Precinct School
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Admission Date: 15 Mar 1897
Parent: Joshua (labourer)
Notes: Saint Gabriel's School (0251) opened in or before 1890. Closed in 1937
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV05/STGAB/AD/002

Address 50 Bloomfield Street, previous school attended Alton St.
Maybe someone could check the address in 1901?

Could it be Broomfield Street? No Morris's at number 50.

There is a Bloomfield Road but it only goes to number 49.

No it's quite clear, there are other children on the same admission page living in Bloomfield Street - Elizabeth Still, b1890 father William at no 60, and Lily Wright, 1892, father Frank at no 28

ADDED sorry got Elizabeth's father wrong. They are on 1901 transcribed as Hill in Broomfield Street, but like you say no Morris's there.

Do you know what Joshua's occupation was when your Grandfather lived with him?

No unfortunately I don't know Joshua George juniors occupation.

I suppose I could order his marriage cert to find out. I had an electoral register lookup done for 40 queens walk in harrow for 1940s many years back, but seem to of misplaced. I am convinced there was another Morris as well as Joshua and Clara at the address at the time. Maybe a child? But for some annoying reason I haven't recorded it into my notes section and if it was a child, maybe one they adopted, if they were fostering and no child seems to exist from them on the gro index.

I am going to see if I can find it the lookup notes in my family tree box.it is still unpacked waiting to be found since we moved.

Thank you everyone for you help with this. I was struggling to find any of them in the census, but it shows a few fresh eyes, can pull up a few things.

It wasn't another Morris in 1946:

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Joshua G Morris
Year: 1946
County or Borough: Harrow
Ward or Division/Constituency: Harrow East
Reference Number: MR/PER/C/0714

address 40 Queen's Walk. Also at the address are Clara A Morris and Walter Johnston.

I've tracked Joshua George through the ER.

He was at 13 Winforton Street, Greenwich from 1925 to 1938.

In 1925 & 1926 there was also an Ernest Henry Davis with him.
From 1930 to 1934 there is Joshua George & Clara Alice Morris and Ernest Henry, Doris & Gladys Davis recorded at the address.

From 1935 to 1938 there is only Joshua George & Clara Alice at that address.

There was no ER during WW2.

Sometime between 1938 and 1946 (which I posted above they moved to 40 Queens Walk, Harrow.
At that address in 1947 there is a Robert W Berryman with them.
From 1948 to 1965 it seems to be just Joshua George and Clara Alice.