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Hi again,

I ordered his children's marriage certificates (for Michael Lever and Sarah Lever - their fathers are recorded as John and William Lever respectively despite Michael's marriage being the only one appropriate and Sarah's being correct as Hannah Monkouse, her mother is living with her in 1891 ... how on earth can this be explained?) Did James emmigrate between 1881-1891 perhaps? But if so, why did his son and daughter name their father incorrectly on their marriage certificates?

Thanks,

Peter

Hmmmm have I been barking up the wrong tree?

I see what you mean

though the James with William in 1881 is a waterman, the other James living in Weston is a general labourer

Two possible brothers of James?

Name: John Lever Age: Full Marriage Date: 15 Jan 1840 Parish: Bolton le Moors, St Peter Parish as it Appears: Bolton-le-Moors Father's Name: William Lever Spouse's Name: Eliza Waring Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Waring Reference Number: GB127.L243/1/4/27
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Name: William Lever Age: Full Marriage Date: 28 Jul 1845 Parish: Bolton le Moors, St Peter Parish as it Appears: Bolton-le-Moors Father's Name: William Lever Spouse's Name: Margaret Billington Reference Number: GB127.L243/1/4/32

Living Great Bolton
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Ok starting to get a little more interesting now ...

Looking on the Manchester marriage collection on ancestry:

Searching for Lever in Bolton, father William Lever, Weaver (as per the 1845 James Lever/Hannah Monkhouse marriage).

Found a possible brother William Lever, FISH DEALER married in 1845 to Margaret.

Hi Ann, yes again I was confused by all of that ... in 1851 he is a unemployed labourer but in 1881 (from memory) he was a waterman ... what is this a sign off?

Advernturous career changer?

He could be, but I have no idea. I've never been able to trace James Lever senior's family as they were two James Levers born c. 1815-1825 in Bolton, both with father's named William Lever!

That doesn't really help does it?

one of the things which puzzles me is that on his marriage to Hannah Monkhouse James is described as 'chemist' (possibly an exaggeration!) in 1871 posted he is I think it is Chemical labourer rather than general lab (compare the 1st letter of occ with C of Cheshire) but on Michael's baptism he is a fish dealer!!

all the others have mmn = Monkhouse on lancashirebmd, but there is no James with either mmn = Monkhouse or Lever as presumably he would have been if he was Hannah's (1862) son

could he be a nephew???

Hmmmm just looking at some records - seems the children of James and Hannah 'Ann' Monkhouse Lever are:

William Monkhouse (1843 born before their marriage in 1845, who died in 1904)
Hannah Lever (1846)
John Henry Lever (1850-1850)
James Lever (1851)
Michael Lever (1853-1913)
Sarah Elizabeth Lever (1856-1943)
Joseph Lever (1861-1939)
James Lever (1862)

Frustratingly there are OTHER James and Hannah/Ann Levers baptising/burying children in Bolton at that time. Lever seems to be a very common name there!

Does this help, find out where James born 1862 fits in?
Could he be a son of Hannah, born 1862?

From the previous census returns this seems to be Joseph in 1911 (incorrect birth place recorded):

1911 England Census about Joseph Lever
Name: Joseph Lever
Age in 1911: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation to Head: Husband
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Runcorn
Civil parish: South Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 84 Crown St Hulme M/c
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Labourer
Registration district: Chorlton
Registration District Number: 464
Sub-registration district: Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Piece: 23902
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Lever 56
George Dutton 15
Annie Dutton 19
Sarah Jane Lever 46
Maggie Lever 23
Joseph Lever 21
Walter Lever 17
John Lever 15
James Lever 12
Harry Lever 7
Annie Lever 4

Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 23902.

Not seeing Joseph and his family 1911. Wondering about the deaths below - they were in Manchester 1901 and the Sarah J death is Chorlton RD - Chorlton is part of Manchester.

??Civil Registration event: Death

Name: LEVER, Joseph
Registration district: Stockport
County: Cheshire
Year of registration: 1939
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 77
Volume no: 8A
Page no: 5


Civil Registration event: Death

Name: LEVER, Sarah J
Registration district: Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1911
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 44
Volume no: 8C
Page no: 1282

I did wonder lancashireAnn as was unable to find the family in the 1861 census - the children I did find on other census' were rather spread out in age, but I'm sure the 1861 would have "filled some gaps"

I wonder if the James b1862 shown in the 1871 census is actually a grandson rather than son.

Of the 6 (poss 8) children on Lancs bmd with mmn = Monkhouse the only James is born in 1851.

there are a few James born 1861/62 with other mmn

Wow thank you so much - well, I need to see that marriage certificate from 1885! But yes, this seems probable. I actually have access to ancestry but as I am sure you know, sometimes, the nudge from an outside eye makes all of the difference.

Well, the Prescot marriage in 1885 is interesting, as Joseph's brother William Lever (shown in the 1881 with James SENIOR), was married in Farnworth, near PRESCOT in 1866 as was their sister Sarah Lever, who married there in Oct. Qrt 1879 to James Hibbert (even though her children were born and raised in Runcorn, I think she is the lady who died in Prescot District in 1943).

My ancestor, and the aforementioned's brother, Micheal Lever (1853-1871) married in Warrington in 1871 - I assume this was some kind of elopement, especially as his father is recorded as John NOT James ... I searched and searched around this, and it seems to have been a lie on the part of the groom, or a clerical error?

The question is, WHY would they marry there? And why would James SENIOR die so far from home if he was the one who died in ASHTON in 1890?

I'm going to look for a death for Joseph Lever and will post findings.

??1901 census transcription details for: 71, Gillow Street, Manchester

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 3746
Folio: 119
Page: 19
Reg. District: Manchester
Sub District: Central
Parish: Manchester
Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District: St Matthew
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 71, Gillow Street, Manchester
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
LEVER, Joseph Head Married M 39 1862 Carriers Labourer Runcorn, Cheshire
LEVER, Sarah J Wife Married F 34 1867 Runcorn, Cheshire
LEVER, Maggie Daughter Single F 14 1887 Runcorn, Cheshire
LEVER, Joseph Son M 12 1889 Runcorn, Cheshire
LEVER, Walter Son M 9 1892 Runcorn, Cheshire
LEVER, John Son M 5 1896 Runcorn, Cheshire
LEVER, James Son M 3 1898 Runcorn, Cheshire
SUMMERS, Marion F Boarder Married F 22 1879 General Domestic Hereford
SUMMERS, Elizabeth E Daughter F 12 1889 Manchester, Lancashire
SUMMERS, Charles A Son M 0 (8 MOS) 1901 Manchester, Lancashire

??? Civil Registration event: Marriage

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Name: LEVER, Joseph
Registration district: Prescot
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1885
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 8B
Page no: 979
MarriageFinder: Joseph Lever married one of the following people:

CLUCAS, Elizabeth
ELLISON, Sarah Jane<<<<<<<<<<< ??
OKELL, Joseph

Not sure why Prescot RD but a Joseph and Elizabeth Okell are also to be found in Runcorn 1891 census

? Joseph 1891
1891 census transcription details for: 42, Princess Street, Runcorn

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 2832
Folio: 99
Page: 33
Reg. District: Runcorn
Sub District: Runcorn
Parish: Runcorn
Enum. District: 11
Ecclesiastical District: All Saints
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 42, Princess Street, Runcorn
County: Cheshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
LEVER, Joseph Head Married M 28 1863 General LabourerBolton, Lancashire
LEVER, Sarah J Wife Married F 24 1867 Runcorn, Cheshire
LEVER, Maggie Daughter F 4 1887 Runcorn, Cheshire
LEVER, Joseph Son M 1 1890 Runcorn, Cheshire
DOWN, Charlotte Boarder Widow F 81 1810 Runcorn, Cheshire

1881 census transcription details for: Weston Terrace, Weston

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 3517
Folio: 94
Page: 26
Reg. District: Runcorn
Sub District: Runcorn
Parish: Weston
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Weston Terrace, Weston
County: Cheshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
LEVER, James Head Married M 58 1823 General Lab Bolton, Lancashire
LEVER, Hannah Wife Married F 58 1823 Bolton, Lancashire
LEVER, Joseph Son Single M 20 1861 General Lab Bolton, Lancashire