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According to reliable Family Rumour , Wallace was the father of my illegitimate grandfather , Frank Vincent Bean , and I've recently joined to try and find out anything I can about him . Born 1864 Botesdale , he apparently married Mary Hughes of Ontario Canada 29/12/1886 . I've traced immediate family history , but he only appears in 1871 and 1881 census . Can anyone help ? ( especially in Canada ) Thanks . Adrian

Is this your grandfather ?


Births Dec 1881

BEAN Frank Vincent - Hartismere 4a 652

Hi Adrian,

Welcome to the boards.....

When was Frank Vincent Bean born? As you will be aware, unless Wallace is actually on the birth certificate then there is no proof that he is the father.

You mention a marriage to Mary, but you do not say where this marriage happened? I also assume you mean the UK 1871, 1881 ER?

Tracey

:-D

1911- Living alone

Name: Frank Bean
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Botesdale, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Ixworth
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address: High Street, Ixworth, Suffolk
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Bricklayer
Registration district: Bury St Edmunds
Registration District Number: 207
Sub-registration district: Ixworth

1901 - A Private in the Infantry

Name: Frank Bean
Age in 1901: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Gender: Male
Where born: Botesdale, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: St Anne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
Town: Chateau AL Etoc
County/Island: Alderney
Country: Channel Islands
Registration district: Guernsey
Sub-registration district: Guernsey
ED, institution, or vessel: Fort Chateau Al Etoc

I cannot find a marriage for a Mary Hughes to a Wallace * for 1885/6 or 7??

Tracey

:-D

Only one I can see in 1891. Recorded as Frank E

Walter Bean 45
Caroline Bean 44
Alice E Bean 16
Frank E Bean 13 - Botesdale, Suffolk
Honor H Bean 9
Catherine C Bean 6
Thomas T Haster 25


EDIT :

No not him. Found Frank Edmund in 1911

OK, got the marriage.....

Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928 about Wallace Vincent
Name: Wallace Vincent
Spouse Name: Mary Hughes
Marriage Date: 29 Dec 1886
Marriage Location: Toronto
Registration number: 38709


Tracey

:-D

Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947
Name: Wallace Vincent <<Married
Death Date: 23 Feb 1900
Death County or District: York
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Birth Location: England

He died of phenomia, no mention of his wifes name

1881

Wallace Vincent
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Samuel B. Vincent
Mother's Name: Ellen M. Vincent
Gender: Male
Where born: Botesdale, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Botesdale
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address: 39 Street
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Millers Apprentice

Registration district: Hartismere
Sub-registration district: Botesdale

Samuel B. Vincent 46
Ellen M. Vincent 42
Wallace Vincent 17
Ellen M. Vincent 15
Alice M. Vincent 13
Gertrude M. Vincent

1871

Wallace Vincent
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Samuel B Vincent
Mother's Name: Ellen M Vincent
Gender: Male
Where born: Botesdale, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Rickinghall Superior
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Hartismere
Sub-registration district: Botesdale


Samuel B Vincent 33 - Dentist
Ellen M Vincent 38
Wallace Vincent 7
Ellen M Vincent 6
Allis M Vincent 3
Martha E Woodcock 25 - sister in law
Emma Nunn 15 - servant

One of his trips?

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 about Wallace Vincent
Name: Wallace Vincent
Gender: Male
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Date of Arrival: 26 Jul 1899
Vessel: Vancouver
Search Ship Database: View the 'Vancouver' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec and Montreal, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: C-4542

Travelling with Maud (30) & Gertrude (25) Vincent both described as Spinsters.Wallace is a Clerk (assuming it's the right man?)

Tracey
:-D

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Hes a labourer on that death I posted, so maybe thats not him?

x

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There's a Gertrude on the 1881 listed?

So.... maybe?


Tracey
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Gertrude is on the 1901 census with her sister. She marries about 1906 according to the 1911 census - Name 'Cossy'

I cant find her returning either? I think it is a different woman on the passenger list that you post?

Blimey - I nip away for an hour , and suddenly there's all this information ! Looks like Genes Reunited people are really nice and helpful . Yes , my grandfather was Frank Vincent bean , 1881 Botesdale (Frank ernest 1921 was my dad ) . According to the Bury and Norwich Post on .29/12/1886 , Wallace married Mary Hughes at J Race Church Lancaster Ontario . Ipswich Journal 24/2/87 says that Samuel B Vincent ( his father ) died 19/2/87 so presumably he didn't travel . Geretrude Alice and Ellen were sisters .Two were spinsters9 buried in Rickinghall churchyard , near Botesdale ) but Gertrude married The Passenger list from Tracey is something I hadn't seem before . And the death at York looks interesting . If this was my ancestor then it may well be there were no descendants at all from that line .
According to two of my grandfather's uncles before they died , , Wallace certainly was the chap responsible and my great grand mother( Fanny Isabella ) deliberately named him Vincent to make it well known !!
So , Yes , that;'s a lot more info .
As this is the first time I've posted anything , THANK YOU , and Sorry if I've not followed any usual polite procedures for this sort of thing .
Mike , Tracey , Gins - I'll be back and chat with you properly .

Adrian

Gertrude did marry


1911 England Census
Name: Gertrude May Cossey
Age in 1911: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Sister
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hickley, Leicestershire
Civil parish: Norwich
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street Address: 95 Magdalen Rd, Norwich
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 5
Estimated Marriage Year: 1906
Registration district: Norwich
Registration District Number: 225
Sub-registration district: East Wymer
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Household schedule number: 178
Piece: 11284
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen May Vincent 45
Sydney Herbert Cossey 38
Gertrude May Cossey 39
Margaret Cossey 4
Mary Ann Marrison 74
Nora Marrison 36
Laura Marrison 34


Marriages Sep 1905
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Cossey Sydney Herbert Norwich 4b 220
VINCENT Gertrude Mary Norwich 4b 220


I cant see any other births for the couple and it looks like Margaret (daughter) never married



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
Name: Margaret Cossey
Birth Date: abt 1906
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1959
Age at Death: 53
Registration district: Ipswich
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 759

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Margaret Cossey <<Spinster of 27 Westerfield Road
Probate Date: 17 Dec 1959
Death Date: 9 Oct 1959
Death Place: Ipswich
Registry: Ipswich

To Barclays Bank Ltd & Alfred Cecil Gibson Renouf, retired Bank Accountant - £9086 19s 4d


This is the person listed in probate


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006
Name: Alfred Cecil B Renouf <<It is a 'G' on the GRO record
Birth Date: 31 Oct 1900
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1974
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Gipping
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 2733

Lancaster is in Glengarry Co, close to the Quebec border and abt 450 km NE of Toronto in York Co.

You can search most Canadian censuses for free, and get images, but I didn't spot him in 1891 nor 1901. Use the links at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911.009-e.html

You can also search Ont marrs at:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=CANADA
but you need an Ancestry sub for the image

name: Wallace Vincent
event: Marriage
event date: 29 Dec 1886
event place: Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada
age: 23
estimated birth year: 1863
father: Samuel Baker Vincent
mother: Ellen
spouse: Mary Hughes
spouse's age: 19
spouse's estimated birth year: 1867
spouse's father: Peter Hughes
spouse's mother: Sarah
registration number: 014732
film number: 1870216
digital folder number: 004529151
image number: 00238
Citing this Record
"Ontario Marriages, 1869-1927," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FMVS-XHY : accessed 20 Dec 2012), Wallace Vincent and Mary Hughes, 1886.

I live very close to Lancaster, Ontario, actually I was just there a few days ago.

I can't imagine what is referred to by J Race Church. There is a St. Andrews Presbyterian Church, St. John the Evangelist Anglican Church and St. Joseph's Catholic Church