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Clarke family - help needed please.

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Jim The Ferret

Jim The Ferret Report 13 Dec 2012 17:34

William Henry Clarke, born c 1858 Liverpool, married Cassandra Lorton Gorse, born 1859 in Birmingham, in Kings Norton, Birmingham in 1888.
They moved to Wood Green area of North London and son William Bertram Clarke was born early in 1889 and baptised in May 1889.
By 1894, they are in the Croydon area and daughter Cassandra Ethel Clarke is born there.
I can find the family in 1901 and 1911 census records.
I can’t find them in 1891, nor can I find William Henry in any earlier census.
Any ideas please?

Thanks.
Jim

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 13 Dec 2012 17:45

Could this be William in the 1861 census as a visitor:-

1861 census transcription details for: James Street, Ulverston

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 3167
Folio: 106
Page: 2
Reg. District: Ulverston
Sub District: 3 Ulverston
Parish: Ulverston
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: James Street, Ulverston
County: Lancashire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

ATKINSON, Andrew Head Married M 28 1833 Grocer And Ironmonger
Pennington, Lancashire
ATKINSON, Ann Wife Married F 24 1837 Grocers Wife
...
ATKINSON, William Son M 4 1857 Scholar
Southport, Lancashire
CLARKE, John Visitor Married M 26 1835 Seaman Merchant Servant
Sedgwick, Westmorland
CLARKE, Jane Visitor Married F 23 1838 Seamans Wife
Anglesea...
CLARKE, William H Visitor M 2 1859
Liverpool, Lancashire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 13 Dec 2012 17:48

Does he name his father on his marriage certificate?

Possibly in 1871:-

1871 census transcription details for: Blandford Street, Liverpool

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 3788
Folio: 142
Page: 3
Reg. District: Liverpool
Sub District: Islington
Parish: Liverpool
Enum. District: 12
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Liverpool

Address: Blandford Street, Liverpool
County: Lancashire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
CLARKE, Richard Head M 41 1830 Lancashire
CLARKE, Mary Wife F 43 1828 Lancashire
CLARKE, Will Hery Son M 12 1859 Lancashire<<<<<<<<<<<<
CLARKE, Mary Ann Daughter F 10 1861 Lancashire

Kath. x

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 13 Dec 2012 17:48

Finding William without knowing his father's name and occupation may prove tricky......I'm assuming you don't have the marriage cert?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 13 Dec 2012 17:52

This may explain the location of the marriage............IF it's the right man

1881 England Census

Name: William H. Clarke
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Bernard Clarke
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Clarke
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: 176 Golden Hillock Rd

Occupation: Joiner Foreman
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 56
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3022
Folio: 36
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Bernard Clarke 50
Elizabeth Clarke 44
William H. Clarke 24
Bernard Clarke 22
Elizabeth Clarke 20
Emily M. Clarke 19
Clement Clarke 18
Ada Clarke 16
Minnie Clarke 14
Frank Clarke 11
Edmund Clarke 9
Bertram Clarke 4
Frances Clarke 2


BUT....with a common name such as his, you need as much verification as possible.

EDIT

Probably not your man.....................occupation doesn't tally with 1901 census

Jim The Ferret

Jim The Ferret Report 13 Dec 2012 18:06

Thanks Kathleen and Reggie.
I'm doing this for a friend so don't want to get certificates at this stage to save her cost.
Aston is certainly the right area of Birmingham.
Not sure why I could not find those census entries but still puzzled about 1891.
Finding a CASSANDRA should be easy shouldn't it?

Jim

Gee

Gee Report 13 Dec 2012 18:12

1891 Censuses

What places are missing?

In addition to the places listed below, numerous British ships are also missing. If you think this may include your ancestor, search The National Archives’ catalogue as above, but enter MISSING instead of the place name.

Remember, though, your ancestor may not have been staying in his or her usual home on the night of the census. It's worth searching, even if your ancestor lived in that small Warwickshire parish, Compton Wyniates, listed below.

England...
Durham – Tyne Port Sanitary Floating Hospital missing.
Lancashire – Infectious Diseases Hospital partially missing.
London – Chelsea return for Victoria Hospital for Children missing.
Warwickshire – Compton Wyniates.