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I am trying to find any details of Joseph's siblings , cousin , or father , grandfather on the Procter side Joseph was born in 1853 Burnley / Nelson ( Dependant upon boundary changes ) he married Susan Crossley born 1886 ( Todmorden ) Joseph mother Grace Slater also any details on Grace parents or siblings , we seem to have hit a blank wall no matter which avenue we try , if any one can point us in the right direction it would be much appreciated thank you

Do you have the marriage cert for Joseph and Susan?
Jan

Possible?


1871 England Census
Name: Joseph Procter
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Procter
Mother's name: Margaret Procter
Gender: Male
Where born: Burnley, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Burnley
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Burnley
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Burnley
Sub-registration district: Burnley


James Procter 57
Margaret Procter 50
Joseph Procter 17
John Clough 25
Mary A Clough 27
Margaret A Procter 7
James F Procter 2
Rosy Ann Clough 7 Months

1861 England Census
Name: Joseph Proctor
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Proctor
Mother's name: Margt Proctor
Gender: Male
Where born: Burnley, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Burnley
Ecclesiastical parish: Briercliffe St James
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration district: Burnley
Sub-registration district: Burnley

James Proctor 46
Margt Proctor 40
Mary Ann Proctor 18
Joseph Proctor 8

Lancashirebmd records the only Joseph Procter born in 1853, Burnley with a mmn of Isherwood. Where have you got the mothers name from?

There is this possible marriage, again from Lancashirebmd

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1843
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PROCTOR James ISHERWOOD Margaret Burnley, St Peter Preston CE111/2/237

Are you sure about Susan's birth year? See 1901:

PROCTER, Joseph Head Married M 47 1854 Cotton Loomer Burnley, Lancashire
PROCTER, Susan Wife Married F 37 1864 Todmorden, Lancashire
PROCTER, Mageret Daughter Single F 18 1883 Cotton Winder Burnley, Lancashire
PROCTER, Grace Daughter Single F 16 1885 Cotton Weaver Nelson, Lancashire
PROCTER, Bertha Daughter Single F 12 1889 Cotton Weaver (Half Timer) Nelson, Lancashire
PROCTER, Mary E Daughter F 9 1892 Brierfield, Lancashire
PROCTER, Judith H Daughter F 6 1895 Burnley, Lancashire
PROCTER, Emma Daughter F 5 1896 Burnley, Lancashire
PROCTER, Thomas Son M 2 1899 Burnley, Lancashire
PROCTER, Fred C Son M 0 (9 MOS) 1901 Burnley, Lancashire

Piece: 3866 Folio: 41 Page: 17
Registration District: Burnley
Civil Parish: Burnley

Address: 15 & 17, Wilkinson Street, Burnley County: Lancashire

Their marriage?

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1882
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PROCTER Joseph CROSSLEY Susan Burnley Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RM/53/189

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: PROCTER, Susan
Address: 11 Wilkinson St Burnley

PROCTER, Susan Head Widow F 48 1863 Cotton Winder Yorkshire Todmorden VIEW
PROCTER, Mary E Daughter Single F 19 1892 Cotton Weaver Lancashire Brierfield VIEW
PROCTER, Judith H Daughter Single F 16 1895 Cotton Weaver Lancashire Burnley VIEW
PROCTER, Emma Daughter Single F 15 1896 Cotton Weaver Lancashire Burnley VIEW
PROCTER, Mona Daughter Single F 5 1906 Lancashire Burnley VIEW
PROCTER, Tom Son Single M 13 1898 Cotton Weaver Lancashire Burnley VIEW
PROCTER, Fred Son M 10 1901 Lancashire Burnley VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 24805
Reference: RG14PN24805 RG78PN1421 RD472 SD1 ED27 SN234
Registration District: Burnley
Sub District: East Ward
Enumeration District: 27
Parish: Burnley
Address: 11 Wilkinson St Burnley
County: Lancashire

Looks like they went for the job lot on Joseph's christening:

Baptisms: 16 Apr 1854 St James, Briercliffe, Lancashire, England
Benjamin Procter - Child of James Procter & Margaret
Abode: Burnley Lane Head
Occupation: Twister
Notes: 12 years
Baptised by: Wm. Spooner Hoole
Register: Baptisms 1841 - 1900, Page 39, Entry 305
Source: LDS Film 1526408

Baptisms: 16 Apr 1854 St James, Briercliffe, Lancashire, England
Joseph Procter - Child of James Procter & Margaret
Abode: Burnley Lane Head
Occupation: Twister
Baptised by: Wm. Spooner Hoole
Register: Baptisms 1841 - 1900, Page 39, Entry 307
Source: LDS Film 1526408

Baptisms: 16 Apr 1854 St James, Briercliffe, Lancashire, England
Mary Anne Procter - Child of James Procter & Margaret
Abode: Burnley Lane Head
Occupation: Twister
Notes: 11 years
Baptised by: Wm. Spooner Hoole
Register: Baptisms 1841 - 1900, Page 39, Entry 306
Source: LDS Film 1526408

Think this is Joseph's death - the image isn't clear, but it looks like he was 53?

Deaths Dec 1905 (>99%)
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Procter Joseph 5_ Burnley 8e 131

It is always best to stay online for a short while after posting a query Susan.............so that you can answer any questions we might have.

That way, it helps us, to help you.

Perhaps I have read this wrong, but does Susan not say that Joseph's mother is Grace Slater?

Where does this name come from please Susan?

I realise that everything points towards Margaret and James being his parents but one of Joseph and Susan's children is called Grace so wondering where Grace Slater comes into this.


Baptisms: 14 Mar 1885 St John the Evangelist, Great Marsden, Lancashire, England
Grace Procter - 1st daug. of Joseph Procter & Susan
Born: 6 Jan 1885
Abode: Great Marsden
Occupation: Twister
Baptised by: J. Guntrip Curate
Register: Baptisms 1885 - 1890, Page 1, Entry 2
Source: LDS Film 1471098

I asked the same earlier, but no reply as yet. This is the only Grace Slater/Procter marriage I can see, but she married Charles Culliford:

Marriages Dec 1847 (>99%)
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Catlow Henry Burnley 21 144
CULLIFORD Charles Burnley 21 144
DRIVER Ann Burnley 21 144
HEAP John Burnley 21 144
POLLARD John Burnley 21 144
PROCTER Mary Burnley 21 144
SLATER Grace Burnley 21 144
TODD Mary Burnley 21 144

Children born to Joseph and Susan. Wonder why Grace was named as 1st daughter when Margaret is still alive in 1901?

Baptisms: 18 Mar 1883 St James, Briercliffe, Lancashire, England
Margaret Procter - Child of Joseph Procter & Susan
Abode: Lane Head
Occupation: Twister
Baptised by: R. D. H. Gray
Register: Baptisms 1841 - 1900, Page 107, Entry 856
Source: LDS Film 1526408

Baptisms: 14 Mar 1885 St John the Evangelist, Great Marsden, Lancashire, England
Grace Procter - 1st daug. of Joseph Procter & Susan
Born: 6 Jan 1885
Abode: Great Marsden
Occupation: Twister
Baptised by: J. Guntrip Curate
Register: Baptisms 1885 - 1890, Page 1, Entry 2
Source: LDS Film 1471098

Baptisms: 13 Dec 1886 St John the Evangelist, Great Marsden, Lancashire, England
John Albert Procter - 1st son of Joseph Procter & Susan
Born: 8 Mar 1886
Abode: Great Marsden
Occupation: Twister
Notes: P. [under date]
Baptised by: G. W. Coleman Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1885 - 1890, Page 28, Entry 221
Source: LDS Film 1471098

Baptisms: 28 Jan 1890 St James, Briercliffe, Lancashire, England
James Procter - Child of Joseph Procter & Susan
Abode: Burnley Road
Occupation: Twister
Notes: Private
Baptised by: T. M. Harrison
Register: Baptisms 1841 - 1900, Page 127, Entry 1016
Source: LDS Film 1526408

Baptisms: 9 Jul 1893 St James, Briercliffe, Lancashire, England
Benjamin Proctor - Child of Joseph Proctor & Susan
Abode: Lane Head
Occupation: Loomer
Notes: P.
Baptised by: T. M. Harrison
Register: Baptisms 1841 - 1900, Page 138, Entry 1102
Source: LDS Film 1526408

1891 census transcription details for: 36, Marsden Road, Little Marsden, Brierfield
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 3380
Folio: 4
Page: 1
Reg. District: Burnley
Sub District: Colne
Parish: Little Marsden
Enum. District: 28
Ecclesiastical District: St Pauls
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 36, Marsden Road, Little Marsden, Brierfield
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BOCTER, Joseph Head Married M 36 1855 Twister Cotton
Burnley, Lancashire
BOCTER, Susan Wife Married F 30 1861 Winder
Todmorden, Yorkshire
BOCTER, Maggy Daughter Single F 8 1883
Burnley, Lancashire
BOCTER, Grace Daughter Single F 6 1885
Burnley, Lancashire
BOCTER, Bertha Daughter Single F 2 1889
Burnley, Lancashire

Probate relating to the death for Joseph posted earlier:

Procter, Joseph of 15 Wilkinson Street, Lane Head, Burnley died 27/12/1905. Administration Lancaster 17/1/1906 to Susan Procter, widow. Effects £177 12s.

Although we still haven't heard back from Susan if this is the right person - could do with knowing where her info was from and who she was tracking back from.

Thanks to you all for replying , Joseph lived at 15 & 17 wilkinson street Burnley the cottages were owned by Thomas Procter ( occupation farmer ), could this thomas be a brother , uncle , cousin . ??? we can't find anything joseph died at 53 , we the family were always told joseph's mother was grace slater but can't confirm if this is correct

there are several Procter / Isherwood births in Burnley including a Thomas (1845)

1881, Joseph still single with his father, which could indicate we have been tracing the right family:

PROCTER, James Head Widower M 66 1815 Cotton Beamer
Burnley, Lancashire VIEW
PROCTER, Joseph Son Single M 28 1853 Twister Of Cotton
Burnley, Lancashire VIEW
CLOUGH, Martin Lodger Widower M 68 1813 Gardener
Burnley, Lancashire VIEW
FIELDING, Mary Ann Housekeeper Single F 50 1831 Housekeeper
Bathley, Cheshire VIEW

Address Widows Row.

Think Margaret died in Q2/1871, but there is no probate to confirm it is the right death.

A copy of Joseph's marriage certificate would confirm his fathers name and occupation - Freebmd entry for the marriage posted earlier:

Marriages Jun 1882 (>99%)
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BALDWIN Florence Burnley 8e 410
CROSSLEY Susan Burnley 8e 410 <<<<
Procter Joseph Burnley 8e 410 <<<<<<<
TILLOTSON Thomas Brown Burnley 8e 410