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Thank you Flip for your continued interest. I am still persuing the certificates but there is a slight delay in that my neighbour, the family of the tree, has cried off contact, temporarily, with a bad cold and, I have to admit I don't want to share it!

So why have the other posters deleted their comments? Obviously I don't copy to my computer as it isn't my history so not sure what has gone on in the missing posts. But I still think you need George's birth cert for his parentage if he's your target.

Hi Flip,
I am sure I replied on here yesterday to tell you that I couldn't remember who else had been on the thread but I always copy all the info into my 'family file' in my computer as it arrives. Copy and Paste is now more difficult because some bright spark at GR has changed the message board font to one that is not known by my 2003 Word, so appears as a series of red dots but this wrinkly is up to the challenge and a quick swipe of all the dotted area and change the font to Times New Roman and all the message appears!

Where did all the other posts go?? I've been away for a couple of days and most of the previous posts have disappeared!

Still need another pair of eyes to find George Edwards in 1861, or even William Edwards! Also, what is your opinion on the 1851 census for the 2 children named Ann - I'm not convinced the younger child is Ann?

Thanks Flip for all your extra finds. I have started negotiations re birth and marriage certificates so may be one day it will become more than speculation!

I found the parents Charles and Harriet Burnside in Family Search :-

name: Robert
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 02 Aug 1807
baptism/christening place: SAINT SAMPSON, YORK, YORK, ENGLAND
birth date: 30 Jul 1807
father's name: Charles Edwards
mother's name: Harriett Burnsides
indexing project (batch) number: C10867-4
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1068542


name: Charles
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 02 Apr 1829
baptism/christening place: SAINT SAMPSON, YORK, YORK, ENGLAND
birth date: 29 Mar 1829
father's name: Charles Edwards
mother's name: Harriot
indexing project (batch) number: C10867-4
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1068542

name: Sarah Edwards
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 11 Jan 1818
baptism/christening place: St. Sampson's, York, York, England
father's name: Charles Edwards
mother's name: Harriot
indexing project (batch) number: C02759-6
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1068542

name: Elizabeth Edwards
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 07 Aug 1814
baptism/christening place: St. Sampson's, York, York, England
father's name: Charles Edwards
mother's name: Harriot
indexing project (batch) number: C02759-6
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1068542


name: William Edwards
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 22 Oct 1811
baptism/christening place: St. Sampson's, York, York, England
birth date: 19 Oct 1811
birthplace: Saint Sampson, York, York, England
father's name: Charles Edwards
mother's name: Harriot
indexing project (batch) number: C10867-4
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1068542


groom's name: Charles Edwards
bride's name: Harriet Burnsides
marriage date: 30 Jan 1804
marriage place: Saint Sampson,York,York,England
indexing project (batch) number: M10867-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 990915

If it's George you are tracking then I think you need that birth certificate to establish parentage! None of the A* trees has him as William's child - although that means nothing.

There are some trees on A* with parents Charles Edwards and Harriet Burnside getting married 30/1/1804, and her born c1785 in Pavement, York. Don't know how reliable they are though, and the 1851 census states her age as 55 so born c1796? So, it's a possibility that the 1851 census wrongly recorded her age but I'm at a loss as to how to check this without finding her in 1841.

The trees also state she died in 1855, & Charles in 1857. They have Harriet (jnr) getting married to William Hainsworth in 1855, and William Edwards dying in 1882 but his wife Hannah Killam dying in 1849.

BUT it could all be speculation!

added - have sent PM with 1851 census image

Sorry, didn't see your last post. I can't find Harriet senior in 1841 just their daughter Harriet (c1826) and then both of them in 1851. Harriet snr may have been with other family members but wrongly recorded in 1841 (eg with a married daughter and the name "dittoed") or simply her name mistranscribed.

OK smartypants, mine have just come from Tesco!

We could do with finding George in 1861, there's no way of knowing from the 1851 census if he is actually William's son - he could be the son of one of William's siblings (Harriet is still at home & single, and we know from 1841 census there were 2 other brothers).

I'm not having any luck finding him in 1861 though, so could do with another pair of eyes!! Also, that 1851 census has Ann Jane Edwards (10) and Ann Edwards (5), but I'm not sure the younger one is Ann - it's difficult to read the image if someone could take a look?

I am looking for William Edwards siblings and his parents' marriage in Family Search and the results coming up make me wonder if Harriets age in 1851 is correct. Does she show up in 1841 with a different age please?

Ours were grown up our garden!!!

Can't see a death reg for Hannah, but they weren't all recorded.

I've got to go buy the spuds before I can peel them! ;-)

Thanks Flip, that is great. I have to take a short break now to peal potatoes for roasting but don't that stop anybody finding anything interesting while I am gone - lol

William in 1841, so looks like he married Hannah Killam:

William Edwards
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: St Mary Bishophill Junior
Hundred: York (Ansty)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:<<New York Street

Occupation: View image

Registration district: York
Sub-registration district: Micklegate
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1355
Book: 1
Folio: 19
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
William Edwards 25 <<tailor
Hannah Edwards 20
Ann Edwards 8 Mo

Think this is grandfather Charles in 1841, but don't know where his wife is:

Charles Edwards
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: St Sampson
Hundred: York
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:<<Newgate

Occupation: View image

Registration district: York
Sub-registration district: Bootham
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1355
Book: 12
Folio: 20
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Edwards 55 <<shoemaker
Joseph Edwards 20 <<tailor
Harriet Edwards 15
Charles Edwards 12

All born in county.

I am trying to find which is George's mother from :-
Marriages Jun 1840
FENTIMAN Mary York
23 577


HALL Elizabeth York
23 577


KILLAM Hannah York
23 577


MORROD Mary York
23 577

but there isn't one listed in FreeBMD between George's birth and the 1851 census! Does the 1841 census help any please?

All this info is starting to make my head spin!
I think I will stick with Flip's 1851. Ravensthorpe is next to Dewsbury Allotment so I think not the right place for my George

Right occupation so this could be him in 1871

Geo Edwards
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: York, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Gate Fulford
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: York
Sub-registration district: Walmgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Household schedule number: 131
Piece: 4753
Folio: 39
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
William Scarth 30
Mary Scarth 31
Sarah A Scarth 12
Geo Edwards 21 <<Joiner, born York

Thanks Flip and grandparents as well. George goes on to have a daughter Harriet in 1879 so the omens are good.....

Possible?

George Edwards
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Grandson
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: York St Sampson
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: York
Sub-registration district: Skelton
ED, institution, or vessel: 18b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 8
Piece: 2353
Folio: 457
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Chas Edwards 67 <<shoemaker
Harriet Edwards 55
Wm Edwards 38 << widow, tailor
Harriet Edwards 25
Ann Jane Edwards 10
Elizth Edwards 7
Ann Edwards 5
George Edwards 1
Robt Walker 38 <<lodger
Wm Walker 36 <<lodger

All the family born York.