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Please can anyone assist in seeing if there is a marriage or blood relationship somewhere between Walter Tyzack and Walter Birch both from Wycombe, both JPs, both mayors and both chairmakers?
Thanks
Jeremy

for info:-

Marriages Sep 1872 (>99%)
BURROWS Benjamin Wycombe 3a 709
COLLIER Jane Wycombe 3a 709
Parker Mary Anne Wycombe 3a 709
Tyzack Walter Henry Wycombe 3a 709

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1881 England Census about Walter H. Tyzack
Name: Walter H. Tyzack
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Grandson
Father's Name: Walter H. Tyzack
Mother's Name: Jane Tyzack
Gender: Male
Where born: Wycombe Marsh, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Wycombe
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: The Marsh
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: High Wycombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1464
Folio: 128
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
John Collier 71
Elizabeth Collier 71
Walter H. Tyzack 27 - Chair Maker (son in law)
Jane Tyzack 30
Walter H. Tyzack 8
Ralph Tyzack 6
Albert Tyzack 2
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1891 England Census about Walter W Tyzae
Name: Walter W Tyzae
[Walter H Tyzack]
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Walter W Tyzae
Mother's Name: Jane Tyzae
Gender: Male
Where born: Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Chipping Wycombe
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Marsh
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Chair Maker

Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: High Wycombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1139
Folio: 30
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter W Tyzae 37
Jane Tyzae 40
Walter W Tyzae 18
Ralph Tyzae 16
Albert Tyzae 12
Edgar Tyzae 1
Elizabeth Collin 82
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1901 England Census about Walter H Tyzack
Name: Walter H Tyzack
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Tyzack
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, London, England
Civil parish: Chipping Wycombe
Ecclesiastical parish: High Wycombe All Saints
Town: Loudwater
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Chair Maker

Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: Wycombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 85
Piece: 1348
Folio: 23
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter H Tyzack 47
Jane Tyzack 50 born: Wycombe; Marsh, Buckinghamshire
Albert Tyzack 22
Edgar Tyzack 11

When are we talking about?

ADDED aha!


1911 England Census

Name: Walter Henry Tyzack
Age in 1911: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Shoreditch, London, England
Civil parish: High Wycombe
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: 2 Range View Cottages, High Wycombe Marsh, Bucks
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Chair Maker
Registration district: Wycombe
Registration District Number: 145
Sub-registration district: Wycombe

Walter Henry Tyzack 57
Jane Tyzack 60
Edger Tyzack 21

This is a very tricky ask - the only way is to research both families thoroughly and hope there is a connection somewhere. You are the one who needs to do this I think!
Just to add - there is at least one very extensive Tyzack tree on Ancestry, but no Walter Birch anywhere in it. So you might have a struggle here I think.
Jan

I was hoping his wife's maiden name was Birch, but no such luck.

Could be Walter Birch married into the family but I can't see a marriage for a Walter Birch to someone Tyzack?

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Walter Henry Tyzack
Name: Walter Henry Tyzack
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 May 1861
Father's Name: Henry Tyzack
Occupation: Saw Maker
Mother's Name: Louisa Ann Tyzack
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch St Mark
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers
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1861 England Census about Walter Tysack
Name: Walter Tysack
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry Tysack
Mother's Name: Louisa Tysack
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Occupation: (of father) Saw Maker

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton Old Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 85
Piece: 240
Folio: 4
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Tysack 52
Louisa Tysack 46
Elizabeth Tysack 19
Frederick Tysack 16
Henry Tysack 14
Walter Tysack 7
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1871 England Census about Walter Tyzack
Name: Walter Tyzack
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry Tyzack
Mother's Name: Louisa Tyzack
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, London, England
Civil parish: Chipping Wycombe
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: High Wycombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 37
Piece: 1404
Folio: 36
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Tyzack 63 - Saw maker (born: Sheffield, Yorkshire)
Louisa Tyzack 56 - (born: Middlesex, London)
Walter Tyzack 17

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Marriages Sep 1848 (>99%)

Tyzack Henry Lewisham 5 383
WHEELER Louisa Ann Lewisham 5 383

.................so no luck with mother's maiden name either!


Could you say where and when Walter Birch was born please?

This looks as though it could be him?

1911 England Census about Walter Birck
Name: Walter Birck
[Walter Birch]
Age in 1911: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: High Wycombe
Civil parish: High Wycombe
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: The Grange, Amersham Hill, High Wycombe
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 35
Estimated Marriage Year: 1876

Occupation: Chair Manufacture

Registration district: Wycombe
Registration District Number: 145
Sub-registration district: Wycombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 26
Piece: 7871
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Birck 56
Anne Birck 60
Gerty Birck 33

Elsie Woods 30 - daughter ( married 8 yrs. - 3 children)
Florence K Brick 25
Ida Rosser Brick 22
Edith Peddle 18
Catherine George 19
Walter Woods 7
Annie Woods 5
Joan Woods 2

11 children, all living!

1901 England Census about Walter Birch Jr
Name: Walter Birch Jr
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie Birch
Gender: Male
Where born: High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil parish: High Wycombe
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Chair manufacturer and Upholsterer

Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: Wycombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 87
Piece: 1347
Folio: 70
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Birch 46
Annie Birch 50
Walter H Birch 24
Annie G Birch 23
William T Birch 22
Elsie S Birch 20
Percy I Birch 13
Ida R Birch 11
Rose Boddington 21
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1891 England Census about Walter Birch
Name: Walter Birch
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie Birch
Gender: Male
Where born: Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Old Borough
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Chair Manufacturer

Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: High Wycombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1137
Folio: 76
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Birch 36
Annie Birch 40
Walter H Birch 14
Annie G Birch 13
William T Birch 12
Elsie S Birch 10
Victor R Birch 8
Hilda M Birch 7
Florence K Birch 6
Edith J Birch 4
Percy J Birch 3
Francis Birch 1/12
Eliza Castle 20
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Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%)
BIRCH Walter St. Saviour 1d 173
HEARN Annie St Saviour 1d 173

......................no luck through Annie's maiden name either!

1881 England Census about Walter Birch
Name: Walter Birch
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie Birch
Gender: Male
Where born: Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Wycombe
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: Water Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Chair Manufacturer
Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: High Wycombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1464
Folio: 63
Page Number: 58
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Birch 27
Annie Birch 30
Hearn Birch 5
Gertrude Birch 4
William Birch 3
Elsie Birch

1871 England Census about Walter Burch
Name: Walter Burch
[Walter Birch]
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Burch
Mother's Name: Mary Burch
Gender: Male
Where born: Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Wycombe
Ecclesiastical parish: Allhallows
Town: Wycombe
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: High Wycombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 181
Piece: 1403
Folio: 70
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
William Burch 50 - (Occupation) Chair Manufacturer employing 44 men and 13 boys
Mary Burch 48
Agnes Burch 18
Julia Burch 17
Walter Burch 16
Eliza Burch 15
Ralph Burch 10
Annie Burch 7
Frank Burch 3
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1861 England Census about Walter Rinck
Name: Walter Rinck
[Walter Birch]
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Rinck
Mother's Name: Mary Rinck
Gender: Male
Where born: Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Chipping Wycombe
Ecclesiastical parish: Oxford
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: (of father) Chair Manufacturer

Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: High Wycombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 189
Piece: 856
Folio: 91
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
William Rinck 41
Mary Rinck 38
Ellen Rinck 15
William Rinck 14
Jane Rinck 12
Charles Rinck 10
Agnes Rinck 8
Julia Rinck 7
Walter Rinck 6
Mary Rinck 5
Ruth Rinck 4
Ralf Rinck 1
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Marriages Jun 1843 (>99%)
BIRCH William Wycombe 6 567
FOOT Mary Wycombe 6 567

....................no luck here either!

As Walter Birch's father was also a Chair Manufacturer and is noted in 1871 census as employing quite a lot of men and boys, it could be that Walter Tyzack was employed by him.
In 1871 Walter Tyzack was a Saw Manufacturer, as was his father, but could be that he went to work for William Birch and learnt how to make chairs and became a chair maker in his own right?
Seems quite logical to me?

Check this out:-

http://www.tyzack.net/hackney.htm

.............it's very interesting!

Thank you to everyone for their input, as you'll see below, Tyzack followed Birch as Mayor of High Wycombe , and then Charles William Birch's property was let to the Tyzacks to me it seemed there was a close relationship. Walter Birch's business was bought by Gomme, renamed G-plan furniture, you'll note a Gomm as a mayor too ! Perhaps there is some Free Masonary history here too?

Mayors of High Wycombe:
1900-02 Walter Birch JP
1909-10 Walter Birch JP
1913-16 John Gomm
1916-17 Walter Birch JP
1931-32 Walter H. Tyzack JP

"Charles William Birch (apprenticed at 13 to Birch) was William Birch’s grandson. He left to set up Birch and Alpe in about the 1920s because he didn’t have ‘parity of esteem’ with Walter Birch’s son (according to a document in CBS) Alpe was his wife’s maiden name. Made high class upholstery – 3 piece suites – and furniture for shipping lines, including the Queen Mary. Employed around 40. After closure the factory was let out to Tyzaks" possibly in 1952/53

BTW Birch is my grandfather's mother's maiden name, Hilda Birch.
Thanks in advance for some assistance if possible.
Jeremy

Thank you to everyone for their input, as you'll see below, Tyzack followed Birch as Mayor of High Wycombe , and then Charles William Birch's property was let to the Tyzacks to me it seemed there was a close relationship. Walter Birch's business was bought by Gomme, renamed G-plan furniture, you'll note a Gomm as a mayor too ! Perhaps there is some Free Masonary history here too?

Mayors of High Wycombe:
1900-02 Walter Birch JP
1909-10 Walter Birch JP
1913-16 John Gomm
1916-17 Walter Birch JP
1931-32 Walter H. Tyzack JP

"Charles William Birch (apprenticed at 13 to Birch) was William Birch’s grandson. He left to set up Birch and Alpe in about the 1920s because he didn’t have ‘parity of esteem’ with Walter Birch’s son (according to a document in CBS) Alpe was his wife’s maiden name. Made high class upholstery – 3 piece suites – and furniture for shipping lines, including the Queen Mary. Employed around 40. After closure the factory was let out to Tyzaks" possibly in 1952/53