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Peter
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12 Oct 2012 21:45 |
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Hi there,
My relation Margaret Swales, born c. 1843 in Burnton, Yorkshire, was living with her husband Francis Swales, a tinner/hawker in 1891 in Darlington, County Durham. He died I beleive in 1892 and so I am looking for in the 1901 and 1911 census.
They had a son named Francis 'Frank' Swales born c. 1889 in Coxhoe, County Durham. He may help in the 1901?
Thank you,
Peter
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patchem
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12 Oct 2012 21:48 |
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How are you related to Margaret Swales to get back to 1891? Thank-you.
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Peter
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12 Oct 2012 21:51 |
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Thanks Patchem. Ok Francis, her husband is my distant uncle. I am working forward from him. There was a previous thread on this family some time back. I've not added onto there as it was so long ago and I am only looking for her in 1901 and 1911.
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Catherine
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12 Oct 2012 22:02 |
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Just for info:- 1891 England Census about Margaret Swales Name: Margaret Swales [Margaret White] Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Frank Swales Mother's Name: Margaret White Gender: Female Where born: Darlington, Durham, England Civil parish: Darlington Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthberts Town: Darlington County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: Registration district: Darlington Sub-registration district: Darlington ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4043 Folio: 92 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age Frank Swales 50 Margaret Swales 40 Christania Swales 17 Richard Swales 13 Kalinp Swales 11 Frank Swales 2 Francis A Swales 17 Nephew born: Stokesay, Yorkshire Margaret White 88 Mother in Law born: Northallerton, Yorkshire
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Catherine
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12 Oct 2012 22:07 |
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Have you considered the possibility that Margaret remarried after the death of her husband?
Marriages Sep 1894 (>99%) Chapman Polly Darlington 10a 49 Clark James William Darlington 10a 49 MCLEAN Richard Cottam Darlington 10a 49 Swales Margaret Darlington 10a 49
..............and so could be under her new married name?
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Peter
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12 Oct 2012 22:12 |
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Thank you Catherine - no, I had not considered that! Ah, maybe it is easier to search for Frank, who is 2 in 1891? This can be quite complex sometimes.
Thank you though.
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Catherine
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12 Oct 2012 22:15 |
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..............or ????
1911 England Census about Mr Maragat Swales Name: Mr Maragat Swales [Margaret Swales] Age in 1911: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Hartlepool, Durham, England Civil parish: Hartlepool County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address: 21 Croft Terrace Hartlepool Marital Status: Widowed Registration district: Hartlepool Registration District Number: 545 Sub-registration district: Hartlepool ED, institution, or vessel: 55 Piece: 29655 Household Members: Name Age Maragat Swales 60 Mathew Hasting Swales 32 Franck Swales 21
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NO you can discount this one as father was Robert:-
Name: Francis Swales Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Relation: Son Father's Name: Robert Swales Mother's Name: Margaret Swales Gender: Male Where born: Hartlepool, Durham, England
............will leave for elimination.
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Peter
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12 Oct 2012 22:16 |
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If it helps, the 1894 marriage shows: SWALES Margaret RO29 172 1894 MCLEAN Richard.
She married Richard McClean.
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Peter
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12 Oct 2012 22:18 |
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Oh this is confusing - is Matthew a son? Where were the two boys born? Occupations?
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12 Oct 2012 22:25 |
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I think that the 1911 posted is a different family?
1901
Name: Margaret Swales Age: 49 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Hartlepool, Durham, England Civil parish: Hartlepool Ecclesiastical parish: Hartlepool St Hilda County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Hartlepool Sub-registration district: Hartlepool ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 90 Piece: 4635 Folio: 79 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Margaret Swales 49 Matthew H Swales 22 William J Swales 17 Margaret J Swales 13 Robert Swales 13 Francis Swales 11 1891
Name: Margaret Swales Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Robert Swales Gender: Female Where born: Hartlepool, Durham, England Civil parish: Hartlepool Ecclesiastical parish: Hartlepool St Hildas Town: Hartlepool County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Hartlepool Sub-registration district: Hartlepool ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4059 Folio: 133 Page Number: 36 Household Members: Name Age Robert Swales 40 Margaret Swales 39 Ann Swales 16 Elizabeth Swales 14 Matthew Swales 13 William J Swales 7 Margaret J Swales 5 Robert Swales 3 Francis Swales 1 William Swales 47
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Catherine
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12 Oct 2012 22:30 |
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This looks to be relevant:-
SWALES, Richard Head Married M 62 1849 General Dealer Durham Stockton VIEW SWALES, Elizabeth Wife Married41 years F 59 1852 Hawker Yorks Stokesley VIEW MCLEAN, Richard Visitor Widower M 38 1873 Hawker Yorks Guisbro VIEW SWALES, Richard Son Single M 21 1890 Bricklayers Labourer Yorks Guisbro VIEW SWALES, Isabella Dgtr Single F 15 1896 House Duties Yorks Guisbro VIEW SWALES, Richard Grandson Single M 11 1900 Yorks Guisbro VIEW SWALES, Hannibal Grandson M 9 1902 Yorks Guisbro VIEW SWALES, Elizabeth Gran Dgtr F 7 1904 Yorks Guisbro VIEW
RG number: RG14 Piece: 29190 Reference: RG14PN29190 RG78PN1692 RD534 SD4 ED1 SN23 Registration District: Guisborough Sub District: Guisborough Enumeration District: 1 Parish: Guisborough Address: 3 South Star Guisborough County: Yorkshire (North riding) redefine current search back to 1911 census search results1911 address search
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Peter
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12 Oct 2012 22:31 |
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Thank you Rootgatherer!
Peter
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Catherine
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12 Oct 2012 22:37 |
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Looks like Richard was Francis' brother:-
1851 England Census about Francis Swales Name: Francis Swales Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Son Father's Name: Anable Swales Mother's Name: Cristor Swales Gender: M (Male) Where born: Yarm, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Thornaby Ecclesiastical parish: Thornaby County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address: Flag Row
Registration district: Stockton Sub-registration district: Yarm ED, institution, or vessel: 1a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 8 Piece: 2383 Folio: 425 Page Number: 19 Household Members: Name Age Anable Swales 41 - Pot Hawker Cristor Swales 42 Lovinah Swales 14 Francis Swales 11 Margret Swales 3 xxxx Richard Swales 11 Mo xxxx
..............Richard McLean is noted as widowed in 1911 so looks as though Margaret died before then.
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rootgatherer
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12 Oct 2012 22:42 |
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Son Caleb has been mistranscribed on 1881 and 1891 census.
Births Dec 1880 SWALES Caleb Durham 10a 366
Doesn't help though as I think this may be him visiting in 1901
Name: Caleb Swales Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relation: Visitor Gender: Male Where born: Coxhoe, Durham, England Civil parish: Guisborough Ecclesiastical parish: Guisborough Town: Guisborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Guisborough Sub-registration district: Guisborough ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 253 Piece: 4571 Folio: 70 Page Number: 39 Household Members: Name Age Caleb Adams 60 Margaret Adams 55 Hannibal Adams 30 Frank Adams 26 Mabel Adams 26 Caleb Adams 24 Caleb Swales 24 Christina Swales 22 Mary A Adams 20 Caleb A Adams 18 Sidney Adams 16 Margaret Adams 10 Mabel Adams 8
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12 Oct 2012 22:50 |
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Name: Richard Swales Age in 1911: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Coxhoe, Durham, England Civil parish: Guisborough County/Island: Yorkshire-North Riding Country: England Street Address: 16 Union Street Guisborough Marital Status: Married Occupation: Dealer General Registration district: Guisborough Registration District Number: 534 Sub-registration district: Guisborough ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Piece: 29193 Household Members: Name Age Richard Swales 35 Mary Ann Swales 36 Marr 12 yrs, 4 children, 1 had died Christinia Swales 5 Mary Ann Swales 3 Hannibal Swales 27 Relative Margret Swales 27 Relative, Mar. 2 yrs. 2 children 1 had died Francis Swales 2
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Name: Richard Swales Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation: Visitor Gender: Male Where born: Coxhoe, Durham, England Civil parish: Guisborough Ecclesiastical parish: Guisborough Town: Guisborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Guisborough Sub-registration district: Guisborough ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 256 Piece: 4571 Folio: 70 Page Number: 40 Household Members: Name Age James Stephenson 72 Bella Stephenson 30 James Stephenson 28 James Stephenson 15 Lavina Stephenson 7 Richard Swales 25 Mary H Swales 25
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12 Oct 2012 22:58 |
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Catherine - I am getting confused (not unsual!) but is that Richard McLean not a bit young to have been Margaret's second husband? Not immpossible I know but a 20 year age difference was quite a lot in those days.
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Peter
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12 Oct 2012 23:06 |
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Hey thank you - sorry been away for a bit. Richard Swales (1850-1925) was a brother of Francis (1839-1892).
Right I am confused now. Where are we getting lost?!
Thank you.
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Peter
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12 Oct 2012 23:13 |
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Right Point 1 - Richard Swales (1850-1925) had a son John who married Eliza McClean in 1898.
The Caleb Swales you found in 1901 is actually a son of Caleb Adams ... his FIRST wife, Margaret Swales (1848-1882) was a sister of Richard Swales (1850-1925) and Francis Swales (1839-1892). Does that makes sense. This Caleb S Adams was born in Guisoborough in 1877 but seems to have taken his mother name by 1901 (his father and step-mother had quarelled over their children in the early 1890s and it made the local papers - the town was engrossed apparently).
So, now, to add confusion is there another Caleb Swales in 1901? The son of Francis Swales (1839-1892)?
Thank you
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12 Oct 2012 23:15 |
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I am unsure about that marriage of this man
MCLEAN, Richard Visitor Widower M 38 1873 Hawker Yorks Guisbro
If, and it looks as if he did, marry a Margaret Swales, I am not convinced that she was the widow of your Francis because of the age difference. I can't see him on the 1901 census.
I am also confused about that Adams family in 1901.
Both of these are listed as son of the Head of the house?
Caleb Adams 24 Caleb A Adams 18
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12 Oct 2012 23:22 |
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Here's the Adams family in 1891
Name: Caleb Adams Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Head Father's Name: John Adams Gender: Male Where born: Easingwold, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Guisborough Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas Town: Guisborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Guisborough Sub-registration district: Guisborough ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4002 Folio: 50 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Caleb Adams 48 Original image says Married John Adams 70 Father Christiana Adams 16 Daughter Caleb Adams 13 Son Caleb A Adams 8 Son
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