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Isadore King aka Isadore Wells aka Elizabeth, born around 1870, possibly in Kent. Can anyone please help with her birth details etc.?
Her mother Sarah King was living with William Wells, Isador's father, in several census
Isadore married William Batten in 1888, at Kensington.
She was known as Lizzie on the 1911 census.
Her death was registered, St Albans 27.12.1941, in the name of Elizabeth Isadore Batten.
Yes, I know it's a bit puzzling. Hopefully, someone will be able to shed some light. JEC

so she married as Isodore Evelan King
Name: BATTEN, William

Registration district: [?] Kensington

County: London

Year of registration: 1888

Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep

Spouse's last name Not available before 1912

Volume no: [?] 1A

Page no: [?] 395
MarriageFinder™: [?] William Batten married one of the following people Transcript


KING, Isidore Evelan VIEW

1891



Name:

Isadore Batten
[Isadore Wells]

Age: 20

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1871

Relation:Daughter

Spouse's Name:William Batten

Father's Name:William Wells

Mother's Name:Sarah A Wells

Gender:Female

Where born:Marden, Kent, England

Civil parish:Kensington

Ecclesiastical parish:St Michael All Angels

County/Island:London

Country:England

Registration district:Kensington

Sub-registration district:Kensington Town

ED, institution, or vessel: 37

Piece: 24
Folio: 165
Page Number: 49

William Wells 57
Sarah A Wells 54
William Batten 23 Plymouth, Devon
Isadore Batten 20
Harry Wells 11 Son Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire
Polly Batten 2
William Dulwood19

Thank you.
Unfortunately it doesn't take me much further. I have her marr. cert. I also have the 1891 census.

But, thanks.

JEC

Do you have her 1881?
Jan

I am guessing this is her 1871 - parents' birthplaces match for other census, 1891 & 1901:

1871 England Census

Name: E Wells
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Wells Where born: Farnham, Kent, England
Mother's Name: Sarah Wells Where born: Burley, Herefordshire, England
Gender: Female
Where born: Kensington, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town

William Wells 33
Sarah Wells 34
Henry J Wells 4
E Wells 1
Ellen Keating 11

Jan

Well I have an 1881 cesus for a William and Sarah, at Kensington, and with a daughter named,Sandora, born 1872 in Kent. There is also a daughter named, Hephide, born 1869 in Middlesex.
For Sandora and Hephibe read Isadore and Hepsibah, her half sister? The birth years are a bit out but that's nothing unusual.
The census is for 24 Crescent Street, Kensington. I have a school admission record for both girls stating their home address as Crescent Street.
What do you think?

I have the 1871 census.

Joan

I think someone else needs to help us!! There happen to be some Kings living in the same street 1911, one is at number 42 in 1881, don't know if this is relevant to your search.

Also not sure it helps even remotely, but did Sarah and William ever marry? Looking at this, but not sure about that name for this Sarah's father!

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Sarah Ann King
Name: Sarah Ann King
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Age: 55
Spouse Name: William Wells
Spouse Age: 54
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Jan 1892
Parish: Notting Hill Christ Church
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: Thomas Fisher
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Wells
Register Type: Parish Register

I'm going to take a leap and suggest this as a possibility. I think Sarah was born in Bushey Herts, which is covered by Watford.

Marriages Sep 1856 (>99%)
FISHER Sarah Ann Watford 3a 377
HOLFORD Robert Watford 3a 377
King David Watford 3a 377
PENNY Anne Watford 3a 377

Jan

Last thing then over to you! This is def. the Sarah who married William Wells in 1892. Her father is a chimney sweep in both cases (luck or what!).

1841 England Census

Name: Sarah Fisher
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Gender: Female
Where born: Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: Bushey
Hundred: Dacorum
County/Island: Hertfordshire

Registration district: Watford
Sub-registration district: Bushey

Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Fisher 48
Charlotte Fisher 30
Thomas Fisher 20
William Fisher 15
John Fisher 9
Edward Fisher 8
Sarah Fisher 6

Sorry, one more. I think this might add up but you need to judge for yourself.

1861 England Census

Name: Sarah A King
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: David King
Gender: Female
Where born: Bushy, Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: Hayes
County/Island: Middlesex

Registration district: Uxbridge
Sub-registration district: Hayes

David King 23
Sarah A King 23
George Peckins 23

I lied. Having looked for the above David, he is on 1871 and 1881 census living in Kensington with wife Jane. I hope you haven't done all this already!
In 1871 he has 'daughter' Emily, also born Hayes in 1864.
I am speculating that the marriage to Sarah might well have broken up by the time Isodore was born - but this presumes I am not barking up the wrong family tree.
jan :-D

Brummiejan, JEC mentions a half sister called Hepsibah b 1869.....I wonder if the following is her baptism?

Name: Hepsibah King
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 31 Oct 1869
Father's Name: David King occ Labourer
Mother's Name: Sarah King
Parish or Poor Law Union: Kensington St James Norlands
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address: 27 Hunt St

If so, you could be onto something! :-)

HI Londonbelle.
That looks promising doesn't it - good find. So the above marriage might have been worth finding after all! Worth considering anyway.
Still no joy with Isadore/Elizabeth/Evelyn though.
Jan

Emily King was born Sarah Emily King in March 1864.

How could Hepzibah be christened 1869 by David and Sarah?if they were already with other partners.

Maryb

Good points Mary, but it was never put as cut & dried, just worth considering.
Where did you find the christening for Sarah Emily?

ADDED as I like checking on Ancestry trees just in case, I can see what looks like this Sarah Emily King on one of them. According to them, David died 1891. Might still be rubbish, but it would fit with the marriage previously posted above.

jan

Hi Brummiejan this is a complicated tree to say the least.

In 1891 William and Sarah Wells have Harry Wells age 11 born @ 1880 in Rickmansworth Herts,can anybody find him?

Maryb

I've been missing for a few days but, my have you all been busy. Thankyou.
I'll try to answer them all in sequence.
Jan. That's both marriages, OK. To William Wells, 1892 and David King, 1856.
1841, OK.
Not sure about 1861 as her baptism is quoted as 11/10/1835. But who knows , a few years?
Apparently, David King and Jane were in the same position as William Wells and Sarah. I think Sarah and David King had broken up certainly before 1871.
Londonbelle. I don't have that record for Hepsibah but looks about right.

Continuation.
Mary. I'm not sure this is the right Emily. S/Be b. 1871? Of course, Hepsibah may well have been born after the split between David and Sarah. Especially as Hepsibah was born in Kensington and not around Ealing.
I have Harry, b1880, Rickmansworth. He could have been born at his grandparents' home.
I have a theory that Henry King, b 1866 died before the above Harry was born. However, I can find nothing to substantiate this although it was common practice to reuse tyher name of a child who died. 1891 shows Harry aged 11. Trouble is, Henry would have been around 25 and possibly have left home.

Thankyou all again.
JEC