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So you're discounting the possibility that they had a child in the area in which they married before moving to West Ham.........................

The marriage info was posted only because you had failed to state its location

Family stories are often just that........stories.

I'll leave this with you now.....................hope you get the answer you want

Thank you for the info, I had the census and marriage info.

There is a rumour in the family that the child was a girl called Harriet but nothing was ever said about her or her death... Therefore the only harriet I found that matched the dates was the one posted above. All other children they had had their births registered in the Westham district too

Births Mar 1888 (>99%)
MARTIN Male Epping 4a 301

Deaths Mar 1888 (>99%)
MARTIN Male 0 Epping 4a 169

You didn't mention that the marriage was in EPPING district

Marriages Dec 1887 (>99%)

MARTIN James Epping 4a 301
RUMBLE Frances Martha Epping 4a 301

Possible marriage of James and Frances as she is shown as Frances Martha in the 1911 census and married 23 years

Name: MARTIN, James
Registration district: Epping
County: Essex
Year of registration: 1887
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 4A
Page no: 301
MarriageFinder: James Martin married one of the following people:

MILLS, Minnie Janes
RUMBLE, Frances Martha <<<<<<<<
JONES, Harry

Yep that is the family :-)

Not sure how to find the other child??

1901 England Census

Name: Horace Martin
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Jas Martin
Mother's Name: Francis M Martin
Gender: Male
Where born: Sx, Woodford
Civil parish: Woodford
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Walthamstow
ED, institution, or vessel: 79
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 85
Piece: 1635
Folio: 60
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Jas Martin 43
Francis M Martin 41
Emily Martin 12
Horace Martin 10
James Martin 7
Kathleen Martin 4
Jessie Martin 2


Kathleen is not with family in 1911, as you can see.

However, she is shown on the census.......working as a servant

1911 England Census

Name: Horace Martin
Age in 1911: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Woodford, Essex
Civil parish: Woodford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Reeds Cottages, Woodford Green, Essex
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Labourer Builders
Registration district: West Ham
Registration District Number: 188
Sub-registration district: Walthamstow
ED, institution, or vessel: 80
Household schedule number: 100
Piece: 9754
Household Members:
Name Age
James Martin 53
Francis Martha Martin 51
Horace Martin 20
James Martin 17
Jessie Martin 12
Emma Martin 8
Edith Martin 6

8 children born in marriage.........1 has died. Presumably that's what you're working on in your search for info

Is this the right family?

1891 England Census

Name: Frances Martin
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Martin
Gender: Female
Where born: Enfield, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Woodford
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Woodford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Walthamstow
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1359
Folio: 94
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
James Martin 38
Frances Martin 31
Emily Martin 2
Horace Martin 9m

Not free ones, apart from familysearch, which has very limited coverage of Essex

What do you know about the parents?

I am not 100% and do not want to spend money on a certificate when it could be the wrong one.

The family lived in Woodford, Essex so I would assume that the baptisms/burials happened in that area.

Are there any websites that hold the info I am looking for?

Why didn't you say so, if you knew?

The certs will give you the info you want

Don't think thats the right one.. parents should be James and Francis

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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Harriet Martin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 Jan 1893
Father's Name: Samuel Martin
Mother's Name: Emily Martin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shadwell, St Paul
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: 15, Cornish St, Rotherhithe.

Father's Occ: Printer

Hi all,

Does anybody have access to baptism or burial records in Essex?

I would like to have more details on the following;

Births Dec 1892 (>99%)
________________________________________
Martin Harriet W. Ham
4a 306

Deaths Mar 1893 (>99%)
________________________________________
Martin Harriet 0 W. Ham
4a 161

Thanks

Lauren