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Hi everyone, a marriage cert arrived this morning, it gives the grooms name as John Clarke Ratcliffe age 23 in 1890 Chester/Cheshire area. Making his birth year approx 1867.

His fathers name is John Clarke, Ive looked for a Clarke/Ratcliffe marrige on bmd and cant find one, Ive found a possible birth for John Clarke Ratcliffe but it only says John Ratcliffe. Im at a loss if his mum remarried there should be one, and if his father had died it should say deceased.

Any ideas? many thanks to you all

Might not show father as deceased. Would depend on if the question was asked or not

Where does he give as place of birth on 1891 census

Occupation of his father ?

Witnesses ?

but the father is called John Clarke and his son is called John Clarke Ratcliffe, Im wondering why the ratcliffe is there and at the end when I cant find a likely ratcliffe/clarke marriage.

thanks for answering glitterbaby hope you are well.

Is this the marriage??

Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%)

Elsby Emily Congleton 8a 544
Ratcliffe John Clarke Congleton 8a 544

the witnesses were william street and elizabeth street.

if Ive found the right birth its congleton/cheshire.

the fathers occupation is pretty unreadable but looks like gardener

1901 is this him

Name: John C Ratcliffe
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily Ratcliffe
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradley Green, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Smallwood
Ecclesiastical parish: Smallwood St John
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Congleton
Sub-registration district: Sandbach
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 80
Piece: 3351
Folio: 12
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
John C Ratcliffe 34
Emily Ratcliffe 32
Ellen Ratcliffe 9
John W Ratcliffe 1
William Fryer 74

????

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1865
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
RATCLIFFE John Hartshead Tameside RATCLIFFE HAR/35/16

thats right prickly holly thanks thats the marriage cert .

ah he came from staffs well I never knew, does that likely birth in tameside mean probably his mum wasnt married

1911 just for info

Name: John Clarke Ratclife
Age in 1911: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Congleton, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Arclid and Smallwood
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: Spen Green Smallwood Sandbach Cheshire
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coachman & Gardence
Registration district: Congleton
Registration District Number: 448
Sub-registration district: Sandbach
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 21734
Household Members: Name Age
John Clarke Ratclife 44
Emily Ratclife 42
John William Ratclife 11
Henry Ratclife 8
Arthur Ratclife 3
George Walker 60

sorry does that mean I need to look for a hartshead/ratcliffe marriage, or is hartshead a place in tameside (not from that area sorry)

thanks for the 1911 census

????

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1869
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CLARKE John RATCLIFFE Catherine Biddulph, St Lawrence Newcastle-Under-Lyme 4C/2/263

groom's name: John Clarke
groom's birth date: 1847
groom's birthplace:
groom's age: 22
bride's name: Catherine Ratcliffe
bride's birth date: 1845
bride's birthplace:
bride's age: 24
marriage date: 20 Apr 1869
marriage place: Biddulph, Stafford, England
groom's father's name: William Clarke
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: John Ratcliffe
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M02090-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1278828
reference number: p 132 n 263

thanks safc could be them, maybe they married after his birth and then he just added his dads name as a middle name.
would it have made more sense to make it as a last name, but who knows?

thanks safc thats a lot of info on the marriage that looks likely.

thanks to everyone for that, I will order his birth cert, assume its the tameside one

am I being stupid, if he was born before the marriage, should he have been registered as a ratcliffe birth with mothers maiden name ratcliffe, there isnt one on freebmd?

Is this him? On the boundary with Staffordshire

Name: John Ratcliffe
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1867
Registration district: Congleton
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 260

Hi K, I think it could well be that one, I will order it, does it give mothers maiden name?

many thanks