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Yes it was a bit of a guess

I have posted about trying to trace him before and I have all the information from 1891 onwards (so have him in 1891,1901 and 1911 census) but I cant find a birth or find any trace in 1871 and 1881

The reason I asked for this information above is I have John Sayers marriage certificate to Elizabeth Ann Smith in Bristol in 1886 and they have his father down as John Sayers/Sayer aslo.
I was looking at marriages of a John Sayer/Sayers (father of John (1862) in the Bristol area and came across the above and wondered whether Alice may have had a son before marriage but he was brought up as a Sayers (it was a long shot really).

Charlotte

Hello Charlotte, I'm a little puzzled (doesn't take much, some days!) - I thought it was Alice Emma Baker you were after?

Was he actually Alice Emma's son, or was that a guess? If he was her son then he'd be registered as Baker (if his birth ever was actually registered) if he was born 1862 and she didn't marry until 1863.

Can you give us details of that 1891 that you're trying to work back from.

I am still trying to trace John Sayers/Sayer born bristol 1862 and thought this could be the family but he doesnt appear anywhere so I think that is another dead end.

it has started me thinking was he actually born a Sayer as there is just no trace of him anywhere until 1891!!!

Charlotte

1871 Census

Name: Alice E Sayer
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John S Sayer
Gender: Female
Where born: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Gray

John S Sayer 32 b.ca 1839, Bristol, Accountant
Alice E Sayer 26
Mabel A Baker 24 sister-in-law
Everton Dayer 6 b.ca 1865, Bristol <<<<<<<<<<< it is Sayer on the image




sylvia

Henry Jones Baker's marriage:

England, Marriages, 1538–1973

groom's name: Henry Jones Baker
bride's name: Elizabeth Sarah Lodge
marriage date: 11 Sep 1841
marriage place: Long Ashton, Somerset, England
bride's father's name: James Lodge
groom's marital status: Single
bride's marital status: Single


and his baptism:

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975,

name: Henry Jones Baker
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 03 Jun 1827
baptism/christening place: St. James, Bristol, Gloucester, England
father's name:
mother's name: Ann Baker

if you need anymore help just ask
PP :-)

ah nevermind I thought there might have been a grand son on there but thanks again

Thanks MarieCeleste :-D

1871 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address Temple Street
Parish Temple
District Bristol, St Mary Redcliff
Administrative County Gloucestershire

Householder 1
Name Henry J Baker
Age 52
Estimated Year of Birth 1819
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation
Birth Place Somerset
Birth County Somerset

Householder 2
Name Elizabeth S Baker
Age 50
Estimated Year of Birth 1821
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Somerset
Birth County Somerset

Householder 3
Name Edith Mary Baker
Age 20
Estimated Year of Birth 1851
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation
Birth Place Gloucestershire
Birth County Gloucestershire

Householder 4
Name Winnifred E Baker
Age 18
Estimated Year of Birth 1853
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation
Birth Place Gloucestershire
Birth County Gloucestershire

Householder 5
Name Hubert E C Baker
Age 14
Estimated Year of Birth 1857
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Somerset
Birth County Somerset

Householder 6
Name Emily Snell
Age 21
Estimated Year of Birth 1850
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation
Birth Place Gloucestershire
Birth County Gloucestershire

Thanks for this

can I ask another favour and see the household for Henry Jones Baker in 1871?? He was Alice's father born 1819/1820

Thanks

Charlotte

You're spot on with that marriage PP!

England, Marriages, 1538–1973

groom's name: John Saunders Sayer
groom's birth date: 1839
groom's birthplace:
groom's age: 24
bride's name: Alice Emma Baker
bride's birth date: 1845
bride's age: 18
marriage date: 31 Mar 1863
marriage place: Temple, Bristol, Gloucester, England
groom's father's name: John Sayer
bride's father's name: Henry Jones Baker

indexing project (batch) number: M39389-9
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1597126
reference number: 2:3GDSXZF

Citing this Record
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possible marriage for her

Marriage Record Name John Saunders Sayer
Year of Marriage 1863
Quarter of Marriage Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District Bristol
Registration County Gloucestershire
Spouse's Surname Only available for records after 1912
Volume Number 6A
Volume Page 103

Spouse Match: John Saunders SAYER married Alice Emma BAKER

Name Alice Emma Baker
Year of Marriage 1863
Quarter of Marriage Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District Bristol
Registration County Gloucestershire
Spouse's Surname Only available for records after 1912
Volume Number 6A
Volume Page 103

Her baptism:

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Alice Emma Baker
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 29 Sep 1844
baptism/christening place: St. George-Brandon Hill, Bristol, Gloucester, England
father's name: Henry Jones Baker
mother's name: Elizabeth Baker

indexing project (batch) number: I03978-4
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1595552
reference number: p80

Citing this Record
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NFRX-S3J

1861 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address 3, Somerset Terrace
Parish Bedminster
District Bedminster, Bedminster
Administrative County Somersetshire

Householder 1
Name Henry Jones Baker
Age 42
Estimated Year of Birth 1819
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Saddler Employing 6 Men 6 Boys
Birth Place ...
Birth County Somerset

Householder 2
Name Elizabeth Sarah Baker
Age 41
Estimated Year of Birth 1820
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Bath
Birth County Somerset

Householder 3
Name Walter ... Baker
Age 18
Estimated Year of Birth 1843
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation ... Assistant
Birth Place Bristol
Birth County Somerset

Householder 4
Name Alice Emma Baker
Age 16
Estimated Year of Birth 1845
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Teacher Of Music
Birth Place Bristol
Birth County Somerset

Householder 5
Name Mabel Ann Baker
Age 14
Estimated Year of Birth 1847
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Bristol
Birth County Somerset

Householder 6
Name Edith Mary Baker
Age 10
Estimated Year of Birth 1851
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Bristol
Birth County Somerset

Householder 7
Name Winnifred Esther Baker
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1853
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Bristol
Birth County Somerset

Householder 8
Name Hubert Edward Baker
Age 3
Estimated Year of Birth 1858
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Bristol
Birth County Somerset

Householder 9
Name Mary Short
Age 21
Estimated Year of Birth 1840
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation House Servant
Birth Place St Georges
Birth County Gloucestershire

Hi

Would anyone be able to help look up Alice Emma Baker born 1844 in the Bristol area (probably Bedminster) and would also be living in the same area.

Thanks

Charlotte