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Hi could you please help me with this.
This is what i have for sure
Charles william Cave Carpenter born 19.08.1855 Bethnal Green birth Certificate
Parents Daniel Cave Carpenter and Mary Ann nee Lee married 25.12.1853
1861 census with family Mile End Old Town Charles ia a Carpenter
1871 census father has died mother re married Mile End Old Town Daniels death certificate Charles is a Carpenter
1881 census living with his family still Mile End Old Town same address Charles is a Carpenter
Up untill now nothing for him that fits for the 1891 census Charles William Cave married Henrietta Blishen in 14.07.1895 marriage certificate
Charles 38 bachelor Carpenter
Henrietta Blishen spinster not married has a daughter Elsie Terrell Blishen born 1893 birth certificate
Charles and Hetty have 6 more children on there birth certificates for the firt 3 born the address is Palmerston Road Killburn.
Have benn looking up census address found 1891 census 20 Palmerston Road Hampstead
Charles Care ? Cave
Fanny Care ? Cave
Edward care ? Cave
Could this be him ? if so can you please tell me anything about marriage when or where his wife Fanny the birth of the child Edward i would like to order certificates to make sure and there is one more thing when Charles and Hetty married in 1895 one the witness on the marriage certificate was a Edward Walter Cave.
I have ask a few of the questions before but i have only just found the infomation in the 1891 census in the last week i hope i have made some sence thankyou for any thing at all Tracie

Marriages Mar 1874 (>99%) ????
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Baker Frances Elizabeth St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 467
Care Charles St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 467

Household transcription
1891 census

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Person: CARE, Charles
Address: 20, Palmerston Road, Hampstead

CARE, Charles Head Married M 38 1853 Carpenter
Stepney VIEW
CARE, Fanny Wife Married F 37 1854
Tatton VIEW
CARE, Edward Son Single M 14 1877 Milk Carrier
Stepney VIEW

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1911 census

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Person: CAVE, Edward Walter
Address: 28 Chingford Road W Stow
CAVE, Edward Walter Head Married15 years M 34 1877 Butcher Bow VIEW
CAVE, Gertrude Wife Wife F 35 1876 Housewife Walthamstow VIEW
CAVE, Edward Henry Son M 12 1899 School Boy Woodford VIEW
CAVE, Patrick Charles Son M 10 1901 School Boy East Ham VIEW
CAVE, Kathleen Mary Daughter F 8 1903 School Girl Woodford VIEW

Same person but place of birth is different

Household transcription
1901 census

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Person: CAVE, Edward W
Address: 3, Milton Villas, Carnarvon Road, Woodford St Mary, Woodford

Disability Where born Image
CAVE, Edward W Head Married M 25 1876 Butcher
Kilburn, London VIEW
CAVE, Gertrude A Wife Married F 25 1876
Walthamstow, Essex VIEW
CAVE, Edward H Son M 2 1899
Woodford, Essex VIEW
CAVE, Patric C Son M 0 (5 MOS) 1901
East Ham, Essex VIEW

UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
about Edward Walter Cave
Name: Edward Walter Cave
Birth Place: Bow
Residence: Plaistow, Essex
Death Date: 30 Jan 1917
Death Location: Home
Enlistment Location: London
Rank: Private
Regiment: Royal Army Service Corps
Number: SS/8803
Type of Casualty: Died
Theatre of War: Home

Marriage of Edward Walter

Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%)

Cave Edward Walter W. Ham 4a 205
Southan Gertrude Ann W. Ham 4a 205






sylvia

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Edward Walter in 1891????


1891 Census

Name: Edward W Cave
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward Wm Cave
Mother's Name: Eleana Cave
Gender: Male
Where born: Paddington, London, England

Civil parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Paddington
Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington

Edward Wm Cave 41
Eleana Cave 41
Alice Emma Cave 19
Eleanor Eliz Cave 17
Edward W Cave 15
Mary Manning 14





sylvia

Edward Wm Cave 41 b.ca 1850, Lynn, Norfolk, Manager for Provision Merchant
Eleana Cave 41 b.ca 1850, Deptford, London
Alice Emma Cave 19 b.ca 1872, Paddington, London, Cashier Provision Merchant
Eleanor Eliz Cave 17 b.ca 1874, Paddington, Dressmaker Assiatant
Edward W Cave 15 Clerk Provision Merchant
Mary Manning 14 Servant

Address:- 63 Barndale Rd

CAVE, EDWARD WALTER
Rank:PrivateService No:SS/8803Date of Death:30/01/1917Age:40Regiment/Service:Army Service Corps No. 9 Labour Coy. Grave ReferenceScreen Wall. 35427.CemeteryEAST LONDON CEMETERY, PLAISTOW
Additional Information:

Son of Charles Cave; husband of Gertrude Atherley (formerly Cave), of 53, Rathcoole Gardens, Hornsey, London.

It IS Edward Walter on the image

1871 Census

Name: Edward Walker Cave
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellenor Cave
Gender: Male
Where born: Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington

Edward Walker Cave 21 Upholsterer
Ellenor Cave 22 b'ca 1849, Deptford, Kent, Dressmaker





sylvia

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1851 Census

Name: Edward Cave
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Cave
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Cave
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Lynn, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Kings Lynn
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Registration district: Kings Lynn
Sub-registration district: Kings Lynn Middle

William Cave 27
Elizabeth Cave 26
Edward Cave 1
Emma Cave 6 Mo







I was looking at seeing if I could connect Edward Walter and/or his father Edward William back to Daniel




sylvia

Hi
Thankyou for your help i have this Edwards Birth certificate he was born to a William Adderson Cave and a Elizabeth Bird in July 1849 in Kings Lynn Daniell had 3 brothers that i know of,
William 1820 ?
Thomas 1823 ?
Charles 1825 ?
Daniel 1829 have his death and marriage certificate
Not sure of William and Charles all the brothers were born in Sibbertofft and they were carpenters.
I realy am lost on this any suggestions at all i will be great full for could he have been on of the brothers children.
Thankyou from Tracie

Sylvia

The death from CWGC says his father was charles and his birth on the 1901 matches with where Edward Care was living in 1891

O sooo good i will order his death certificate for 1917 and then try and find a birth for him in about 1875 thankyou sooo much !!! It is so good to find a new way to do some diging I am realy great full for the new slant on things!

I am wondering if he was Fannys son so he was'nt born Cave

That marriage I posted for Charles and Frances may not be correct

If she just took his name this could be her death?

Deaths Mar 1892 (>99%)
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Cave Fanny Minna M 44 Hampstead 1a 662

So if i order her death certificate it will be of use to see who was there at her death I think that would be worth it It could also give her address Maybe thats why he said he was a batchelor he never married her ooo i love this stuff Thankyou you are soo kind with your help Trac

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The only Minna Fanny born between 1850 and 1856, and registered wtih both the names


Births Dec 1853 (>99%)

FENNINGS Minna Fanny St Geo E 1c 425



possibly/probably just a wild guess on my part!!


A tree on ancestry has Minna Fanny Fennings marrying Joseph Thomas Williams in 1883.

BTW


ancestry has transcribed Fanny's birth place as Tubbon


The handwriting on the image is all but impossible to read ............... it looks like Tabbor or Tubbor


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Hi in the one of the 1891 census when she is fanny Care it dose say she was born in Tatton is ther such a place ? i have ordered her deth certificate also Edwad Walters marriage certificate just for a start Thankyou from Trac