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martha bailey b1861 approx at Onneley, Staffs

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Kucinta

Kucinta Report 20 Sep 2012 10:16

As MarieCeleste has pointed out 'Thomas Bailey' shared the same forename as Lucy's stepfather Thomas Evans.

Did he share anything else, like the same occupation of coal miner//hewer?

If so, I'd say that 'Thomas Bailey' was Lucy's stepfather Thomas Evans in all but surname...

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 19 Sep 2012 15:42

Sandra, it sounds very much like the father's name of Thomas was invented for the sake of decency on the marriage certificate - very many people did that rather than admit to being illegitimate.

It's not likely (but not impossible) that her biological father had the same surname as her mother. Sounds like she may have used the first name of her step-father.

sandra

sandra Report 19 Sep 2012 14:59

Thanks for the replies re origins and subsequent locations/family of Martha Bailey. I know from her daughter's birth cert that she was a domestic servant 1n 1881 when Lucy Jane Bailey was born, with no father's details on birth cert but When Lucy Jane marries in 1900, her father's name is recorded as "Thomas Bailey" and the cert gives her place of residence at time of marriage as Wybunbury(Cheshire). I know that people tended not to be very mobile in the 1800s but a lot of families around here moved for the mining work.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 19 Sep 2012 11:27

Death of Eliza?

Deaths Mar 1896 Bailey Eliza 60 Mt. Drayton 6a 509


Samuel in 1901:

A widowed farm worker.

Name: Samuel Bailey
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Father-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Betley, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Betley
Ecclesiastical parish: Betley St Margaret
Town: Betley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England


Registration district: Newcastle under Lyme
Sub-registration district: Audley
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 63
Piece: 2584
Folio: 18
Page Number: 11

Household Members: Name Age
Jesse Birchall 43
Sarah Birchall 45
James Birchall 20
Martha Birchall 12
Robert Birchall 10
George Birchall 7
Henry Birchall 6
>>>Samuel Bailey 66

Samuel's death?

Name: Samuel Bailey
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1915
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Newcastle under Lyme
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 68

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 19 Sep 2012 11:11

Samuel & Eliza in 1881:

Address: ?, Madeley County: Staffordshire

BAILEY, Samuel Head Married M 46 1835 Gen La Betley, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Eliza Wife Married F 47 1834 Madeley, Staffordshire
BAILEY, George Son Single M 23 1858 Gen La Woore, Shropshire
BAILEY, Charles Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar Woore, Shropshire
BAILEY, William Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar Madeley, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Mary J Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar Madeley, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Harry Son Single M 3 1878 Madeley, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Martha Grand Daughter Single F 2 1879 Fenton Stoke, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Edwin Son Single M 4 1877 Madeley, Staffordshire


Census 1891:

Address: Onneley Lane, Madeley, Onneley, Newcastle Under Lyme
County: Staffordshire

BAILEY, Samuel Head Married M 56 1835 Game Keeper Betley, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Eliza Wife Married F 56 1835 Madeley, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Charles Son Single M 20 1871 Coal Miner Gravenhanger, Shropshire
BAILEY, William Son Single M 18 1873 Coal Miner Madeley, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Mary Jane Daughter Single F 17 1874 Madeley, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Edwin Son Single M 14 1877 Coal LabourerMadeley, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Harry Son Single M 13 1878 Coal Labourer Madeley, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Samuel Grandson M 7 1884 Scholar Madeley, Staffordshire

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 19 Sep 2012 10:39

tea break quickie:


name: Samuel Bailey
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 28 Sep 1834
baptism/christening place: Betley, Stafford, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Thomas Bailey
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Elizabeth
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I04864-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1040822
reference number: P.85

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 19 Sep 2012 09:28

Looks like Samuel & Eliza in 1871:

BAILEY, Samuel Head M 36 1835 Staffordshire, Betley - Ag Lab
BAILEY, Eliza Wife F 36 1835 Staffordshire, Onneley
BAILEY, Samuel Son M 8 1863 Shropshire
BAILEY, Thomas Son M 6 1865 Shropshire
BAILEY, James Son M 3 1868 Shropshire
BAILEY, Ann Daughter F 2 1869 Shropshire
BAILEY, Charles Son M 0 1871 Shropshire

Piece: 2799 Folio: 120 Page: 14
Registration District: Market Drayton
Civil Parish: Gravenhunger

Address: Onneley Road, Gravenhunger County: Shropshire

Children all born Gravenhunger

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 19 Sep 2012 09:21

Possible, but needs to be compared to details on Martha's birth certificate:

England, Marriages, 1538–1973 ,

groom's name: Samuel Bailey
groom's birth date: 1832
groom's age: 22
bride's name: Eliza Preston
bride's birth date: 1833
bride's age: 21
marriage date: 17 Apr 1854
marriage place: Madeley,Stafford,England
groom's father's name: Thomas Bailey
bride's father's name: James Preston

indexing project (batch) number: M00993-3
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1040770
reference number:

Citing this Record
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NV7W-4HD

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 19 Sep 2012 09:16

Birth cert would confirm Martha's parents and mother's maiden name:


Births Jun 1861 Bailey Martha Mkt Drayton 6a 736


Possible marriage:


Marriages Jun 1854
Adams Sarah Wolverhampton 6b 75
Ashmore Harriett Stafford 6b 75
>>>Bailey Samuel Newcastle L 6b 75
Horton Thomas Newcastle L 6b 75
Jackson Mary Newcastle L 6b 75
>>>PRESTON Eliza Newcastle L 6b 75


Really must go now - over to you MarieCeleste!

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 19 Sep 2012 09:16

Fits with Kucinta's 1861:

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Martha Bailey
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 28 Apr 1861
baptism/christening place: Woore, Shropshire, England
father's name: Samuel Bailey
mother's name: Eliza Bailey
indexing project (batch) number: I02540-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1657607
reference number:

Citing this Record
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NY6S-67H

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 19 Sep 2012 09:04

I have to head off for work now, but maybe someone else could look into the family of Samuel and Eliza Bailey before and after 1861?

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 19 Sep 2012 09:02

Don't blame you MC, but that seems to have been a looseness in transcription, there's nothing on the original image , only the first child is described as a scholar there.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 19 Sep 2012 08:58

She must have been a very bright baby!!

(Sorry for butting in, but couldn't resist that one!)

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 19 Sep 2012 08:53

Maybe my possible sighting in 1871 previously posted was not such a red herring after all?

Woore, though Shropshire, is VERY close to both Onneley and Mucklestone!

Living in Mucklestone at age 7 days with father named SAMUEL...

Census 1861

Address: Cottage, Gravenhanger Lane, Gravenhunger, Mucklestone County: Shropshire

>>>BAILEY, Samuel Head Married M 26 1835 Agricultural Labourer
Betley, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Eliza Wife Married F 26 1835 Labourers Wife Madeley, Staffordshire
BAILEY, Sarah Daughter F 5 1856 Scholar Woore, Shropshire
BAILEY, George Son M 3 1858 Scholar Woore, Shropshire
BAILEY, Eliza Daughter F 1 1860 Scholar Woore, Shropshire
>>BAILEY, Martha Daughter F 0 (7D) 1861 Scholar Woore, Shropshire


Scholar at 7 days is very advanced! EDIT, she is NOT described as scholar on the original image.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 19 Sep 2012 07:52

Possible death for Martha?


Name: Martha Evans
Birth Date: abt 1861
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1936
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Newcastle under Lyme
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 71


and for husband Thomas Evans?

Name: Thomas Evans
Birth Date: abt 1864
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1918
Age at Death: 54
Registration district: Newcastle under Lyme
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 69

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 19 Sep 2012 07:35

Probably a red herring, and yet another birthplace....


name: Martha Bailey
event: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Female
age: 10
relationship to head of household: Servant
birthplace: Mucklestone, Staffordshire
record type: Household
registration district: Penkridge
sub-district: Brewood
event parish: Lapley
county: Staffordshire



self William Davis M 29 Whitmore, Staffordshire
wife Elizabeth Davis F 26 Mucklestone, Staffordshire
daughter Lillian Davis F 2 Whitmore, Staffordshire
daughter Ada Davis F 0 Whitmore, Staffordshire
servant Martha Bailey F 10 Mucklestone, Staffordshire


This Martha is probably accounted for by:


Births Jun 1861 Bailey Martha Mkt Drayton 6a 736

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 19 Sep 2012 00:40

Census 1911, and Martha's birthplace is now Audley!


Address: 38 Chester Road Audley Staffordshire County: Staffordshire

EVANS, Thomas Head Married M 47 1864 Coal Hewer Staffordshire
EVANS, Martha Wife Married F 49 1862 Audley Parish
EVANS, John Son Single M 18 1893 Waggoner Under Ground Audley Parish
EVANS, William Son Single M 14 1897 Audley Parish
EVANS, Muriel Daughter F 13 1898 Audley Parish
EVANS, Florence Daughter F 10 1901 Audley Parish
EVANS, Jane Daughter F 8 1903 Audley Parish
EVANS, Hannah Daughter F 6 1905 Audley Parish

Married 22 years (ties in with 1889 wedding!). 8 children born and 8 children still living.

EDIT, Note the 8 children of the 22 yr marriage. These are accounted for by Mabel, Eliza, John, William, Muriel, Florence, Hannah, and Jane.

So one of the parents brought Lucy with them into the marriage, and my money is on Martha...

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 19 Sep 2012 00:36

You could send for Martha's marriage cert which would probably give father Samuel's occupation and make it easier to cross reference with the census.

Marriages Jun 1889
BAILEY Martha Newcastle L. 6b 89
EVANS Thomas Newcastle L. 6b 89

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 19 Sep 2012 00:31

Census 1901 note Martha's birthplace is now Onneley, which ties in with Martha's birthplace as given in the 1881 census record Sandra mentioned.

So now you know Martha's father was Samuel from the marriage I posted previously, which is now looking likely to be correct.

Census 1901:

Address: Chester Road, Audley County: Staffordshire

EVANS, Thomas Head Married M 37 1864 Coal Miner Nantwich, Cheshire
EVANS, Martha Wife Married F 38 1863 Ormelly Nr Market Drayton, Staffordshire
EVANS, Mabel Daughter F 11 1890 Audley, Staffordshire
EVANS, Eliza A Daughter F 10 1891 Audley, Staffordshire
EVANS, John T Son M 8 1893 Audley, Staffordshire
EVANS, William K Son M 4 1897 Audley, Staffordshire
EVANS, Muriel Daughter F 3 1898 Audley, Staffordshire
EVANS, Florence M Daughter F 0 (10 MOS) 1901 Audley, Staffordshire

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 19 Sep 2012 00:22

The Evans family in census 1891.? Martha's birthplace is given as Market Drayton, but note place of birth for daur Lucy 'Evans'.

Also note large gap in children between Lucy c1882 (pre-marriage)? and next child Mabel c1890 (post marriage).

Census 1891:

Address: Chester Road, Audley County: Staffordshire

EVANS, Thomas Head Married M 27 1864 Coal MinerAudlem, Cheshire
EVANS, Martha Wife Married F 30 1861 Market Drayton, Shropshire
EVANS, Lucy Daughter Single F 9 1882 Onneley, Staffordshire
EVANS, Mabel Daughter Single F 1 1890 Audley, Staffordshire
EVANS, Eliza Daughter F 0 (1M) 1891 Audley, Staffordshire