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Hi again Marie, thank you again for your help. I've just had a scout around on that surname but nothing. Am off to bed soon, up early for work tomorrow. I will though keep looking and if nothing comes up on her date of birth I'll send off for her birth cert at the end of the month. I do love these mysteries.

Kind regards

Kathryn

De Hamm would probably be a married name. I've searched under that name but can't find any other record.

Hi Marie, how interesting is this? Excuse my ignorance but would the De Hamm bit be a married name? Not sure about her date of birth. So far all I've found is March 1887. I will keep searching though. I did check the passenger list on FMP, not with subs though, and couldn't find anything. Although the Dora you have found is Dora N Noel. Forgive again as I get confused with names etc and am by no means an expert in research. I will try my hardest to see if I can get a proper birth date for her and keep you updated. Not sure where I'll find it but it may well be I have to send off for her birth cert but that won't be for a couple of weeks as I don't get paid until the end of the month.

Thanks again for your time and help.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Complete long shot, but was thinking of the American tradition in some parts of women using their maiden name as a middle name:

Social Security Death Index about Dora N. Noel De Hamm
Name: Dora N. Noel De Hamm
SSN: 584-22-2002
Last Residence: 00912 San Juan, San Juan, Puerto Rico, United States of America
Born: 25 Nov 1886
Died: 15 Oct 1974
State (Year) SSN issued: Puerto Rico (1966)

By the Way, Elham registration district covers Folkestone. Wonder what your Dora's actual date of birth was?

Hi, thank you for your input. I have made contact with someone in France who was able to give me some information about Dora's father and grandfather. I am contacting them again at the weekend and will ask them if they can locate Dora in France. I will of course update this thread if there is any joy.

Thank you all for your time and help.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Good thinking Jan! ;-)

??? i see father was born in France could she have gone to France

Have searched under Helen Noel and found nothing. I now believe Dora's middle name was Helen as I had her as just Dora before but can only find one birth in 1887 and that is for Dora Helen Noel. How can someone just disappear? Have checked on FMP on the passenger lists but she doesn't appear there albeit I don't have subs for FMP but you can get to see names etc.

Where did she go?

Kind regards

Kathryn

Hi, can't keep away. Thank you for the information so far. I found the birth for Dora Helen also and believe this may be Dora as the year is correct and Elham is in Kent, not sure if that covers Folkestone as well. Anyhow, no I haven't tried with the middle name alone. Will have a search just now. As polly pocket has found it is interesting that in 1911 it says that Alfred and Mary had had 9 children, five alive and four dead. I have Marie born 1885, Louise born 1892, Adele born 1894 and Alfred born 1900 all these lived beyond 1911. That makes four, haven't found another child as yet apart from Dora.

Thank you so much.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Was she born Dora Helen?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Dora Helen Noel
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1887
Registration district: Elham
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1007

If it is her, have you searched by her middle name?

parents in 1911


1911 Census Household RecordHousehold information
Address 21 Grittleton Road Paddington W
Parish Paddington
Town Paddington W
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms 3
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN25 RG78PN1 RD1 SD1 ED25 SN186
Administrative County London
Registration District Paddington
Registration Sub District Paddington North
Enumeration District 25

Householder 1
Name Alfred Noel
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married Married
Gender M
Age 49
Estimated Year of Birth 1862
Occupation Policeman
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Boulogne Sur Met France
Nationality British Parentss

Householder 2
Name Mary Noel
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Condition / Years Married Married / 28 Years
Total Children Born Alive 9
Children Still Living 5
Children Who Have Died 4
Gender F
Age 44
Estimated Year of Birth 1867
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Hartlepool

Householder 3
Name Alfred Noel
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 11
Estimated Year of Birth 1900
Occupation School
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth London Fulham

Householder 4
Name Walter Day Noel
Relationship to Head of Household Grandson
Gender M
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1903
Occupation School
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth London Woolwich

This lady was my great grand aunt. Born 1887 in Folkestone to Alfred Emile Augustus Noel and Mary Elizabeth Noel nee Boyd. Dora is living in Fulham with her parents in the 1901 Census. I cannot find anything on her since that date. Have searched marriages and deaths, have checked Free BMD but have drawn a blank. Perhaps I'm getting tired. Been researching most of the day.

Perhaps another pair of eyes or two or more would be helpful.

Am going to be away from my computer for the next half hour but will check if there are any messages after that.

As ever, any help would be much appreciated.

Kind regards

Kathryn