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Sarah was born 25 May 1832 in Sudbury, Suffolk to Joseph Nicholls and his wife Sophia Smith.

She married Samuel Neave in 1849 in Sudbury - his second wife (First wife Eliza died 1848)

She had several children, including Alice Mary Nicholls Neave born 10 March 1874 in Sudbury.

Alice moved to Australia when 9. There is a note in the family book of the Wilson, Neave and Clark families of Kangaroo Island -"Alice Nichollas Neave, after the death of her mother, Alice arrived from England on her own aged 9 years. She married a Kangaroo Islander, John Wright and immigrated to Zion City, Illinois, in the United States of America to follow their religion. "Followers of God". they had 13 children"

I have been unable to trace the death of Sarah Neave (born Nicholls) other than a death in 1903. This death appears in most family trees.

Would appreciate if you could trace her death prior to 1883.

As a secondary query - On the 1881 Census, Sarah is a widow and Head of the family. She is shown with 2 children Samuel and Alice, and a grandson William aged 8. Who were his parents?

Thanks in advance

Arthur

Can't find a death for her. I recently read an extract from a vicar's journal written in the mid 1800s, in it he mentioned a large number of bodies that were buried without being identified, e.g. unknown elderly man found drowned in river, etc. etc.

It made me wonder if that's why we often can't find death records for some of our ancestors.

Don't know if this baptism is in the right part of Suffolk?

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975,

name: William Grundry Neave
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 07 Mar 1874
birthplace: Woodbridge MM, Leiston, Suffolk, England
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Edward Neave
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary Ann Boyce
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I04006-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1658019
reference number:

EDIT: Not sure about this, can't see a son Edward with Sarah on previous census.
Guess it'll be a case of working through her children.

possible birth

Birth Record Name William Ernest Neave
Year of Registration 1873
Quarter of Registration Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Sudbury
Registration County Suffolk
Mother's maiden name
Volume Number 4A
Volume Page 471

1871 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address Melford Road
Parish St Gregory
District Sudbury, Sudbury
Administrative County Suffolk

Householder 1
Name Samuel Neave
Age 63
Estimated Year of Birth 1808
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation
Birth Place Essex
Birth County Essex

Householder 2
Name Sarah Neave
Age 39
Estimated Year of Birth 1832
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Suffolk
Birth County Suffolk

Householder 3
Name Harriet Neave
Age 20
Estimated Year of Birth 1851
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation
Birth Place Suffolk
Birth County Suffolk

Householder 4
Name Frederick W Neave
Age 16
Estimated Year of Birth 1855
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation
Birth Place Suffolk
Birth County Suffolk

Householder 5
Name Harry Neave
Age 14
Estimated Year of Birth 1857
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Suffolk
Birth County Suffolk

Householder 6
Name Albert A Neave
Age 12
Estimated Year of Birth 1859
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Suffolk
Birth County Suffolk

Householder 7
Name Kate Neave
Age 10
Estimated Year of Birth 1861
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Suffolk
Birth County Suffolk

Householder 8
Name George Neave
Age 7
Estimated Year of Birth 1864
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Suffolk
Birth County Suffolk

Householder 9
Name Samuel F Neave
Age 3
Estimated Year of Birth 1868
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Suffolk
Birth County Suffolk

wonder if frederick w her son could be his father


1881 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address 11, Jardin Street
Parish Camberwell
District Camberwell, St George
Administrative County Surrey

Householder 1
Name Fred Neave
Age 25
Estimated Year of Birth 1856
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Stationers Porter
Birth Place Sudbury
Birth County Suffolk

Householder 2
Name Margaret Neave
Age 25
Estimated Year of Birth 1856
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place London
Birth County Middlesex

Householder 3
Name Frederick Neave
Age 2
Estimated Year of Birth 1879
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Newington
Birth County Surrey

1861 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address 21, Melford Road
Parish St Gregory
District Sudbury, Sudbury
Administrative County Suffolk

Householder 1
Name Samuel Neave
Age 53
Estimated Year of Birth 1808
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Cabinet Maker
Birth Place Colchester
Birth County Essex

Householder 2
Name Sarah Neave
Age 28
Estimated Year of Birth 1833
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Sudbury
Birth County Suffolk

Householder 3
Name Sarah Neave
Age 26
Estimated Year of Birth 1835
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Silk Weaver
Birth Place Colchester
Birth County Essex

Householder 4
Name Alfred Neave
Age 20
Estimated Year of Birth 1841
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Silk Weaver
Birth Place Chelmsford
Birth County Essex

Householder 5
Name Ellen Neave
Age 17
Estimated Year of Birth 1844
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Silk Weaver
Birth Place Colchester
Birth County Essex

Householder 6
Name Harriett Neave
Age 9
Estimated Year of Birth 1852
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Sudbury
Birth County Suffolk

Householder 7
Name Frederick Neave
Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1855
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Sudbury
Birth County Suffolk

Householder 8
Name Harry Neave
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1857
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Sudbury
Birth County Suffolk

Householder 9
Name Albert Neave
Age 2
Estimated Year of Birth 1859
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Sudbury
Birth County Suffolk

Householder 10
Name Kate Neave
Age 0
Estimated Year of Birth 1861
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Sudbury
Birth County Suffolk

Marie Celeste

William Grundy Neave - sounds like "The Archers"

Don't think it is the right William

PollyPoppet

Do not think that Sarah's son Frederick William is the father of William.

He had a son Frederick William, but he is shown at home with his father on the 1881 Census and is only 3

here is samuel in 1841

1841 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address Helens Lane
Parish St Martin
District Colchester, Second Ward
Administrative County Essex

Householder 1
Name Samuel Neave
Age 34
Estimated Year of Birth 1807
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation
Birth Place Essex
Birth County Essex

Householder 2
Name Eliza Neave
Age 34
Estimated Year of Birth 1807
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation
Birth Place Essex
Birth County Essex

Householder 3
Name Charles Neave
Age 9
Estimated Year of Birth 1832
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Essex
Birth County Essex

Householder 4
Name Sarah Neave
Age 7
Estimated Year of Birth 1834
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Essex
Birth County Essex

Householder 5
Name Alfred Neave
Age 1
Estimated Year of Birth 1840
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Essex
Birth County Essex


2 possibel father alfred and charles for william the grandson

Burial
First name(s): Samuel
Last name: NEAVE
Date of burial 3 Apr 1879
Age at death: 73
Calculated year of birth: 1806
Place of burial Sudbury
Dedication: Cemetery
County: Suffolk
Sudbury Cemetery:
Denomination: Cemetery
Coverage 1859 - 1900
Data provider: Suffolk Family History Society

Burial (Daughter?)
First name(s): Hannah
Last name: NEAVE
Date of burial 8 Feb 1751
Age at death:
Calculated year of birth: Not known
Place of burial Sudbury
Dedication: All Saints
County: Suffolk

(can see above for Sudbury, Find my Past, coverage 1859 - 1900, so before Sarah 1903 , shame!, nothing at all for a Sarah)

Chris :)

nudge

so, Arthur


you are really looking only for ...................


a) the death of Sarah Neave


b) possible parents of William Neave, b. ca 1873. grandson of Sarah.







sylvia

Could it be Sarah was travelling with Alice, but died on the journey?

"Arrived on her own".......

Rose

that's a thought, Rose!


it could mean that, could it not!

On the 1881 Census, someone has posted Alternate Information for William ........ showing his name to be William Ernest Neave


This is the reason posted .................

William Ernest Neave rather than William Neave
Although unconfirmed, I think this is Sarah's son and not her grandson as transcribed.
Submitted by whalesafe on 07/06/2010



1881 Census

Name: William Neave
[William Ernest Neave]
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Sudbury, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Sudbury St Gregory
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address: 3 Mount Place

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Sudbury
Sub-registration district: Sudbury

Sarah Neave 48
Samuel Neave 13
Alice Neave 7
William Neave 8

One tree on ancestry (Owner: gruntfuttock) has William Ernest Neave as the son of Samuel Neave and Sarah Nicholls.



It would seem that you might ahve to buy the birth certificate in order to prove whether this is true or not.



I've looked on familysearch, and cannot see a baptism.



sylvia

Can't see him after 1881.

Could be Harriet's son. There's a death for a Harriet in 1875 but the age is a little off.

Rose

no, I can't find him after the 1881, nor does he seem to be an entry on any of the family trees.


I did wonder if Sarah had maybe re-married after Samuel died .................. but can't find anything for that either!



I've been googling like mad!!!






sylvia

Rose

I do not think Sarah travelled with Alice to Australia.- there is a comment somewhere that the sons were saving to bring there mother to Australia, but she died before it could happen.

This is the extract from the family book on Kangaroo Island -


this was out of the family book, it was all the information we have on alice.

Alice Nichollas Neave, after the death of her mother, Alice arrived from England on her own aged 9 years. she married a Kangaroo Islander, John Wright and immigrated to Zion City, Illinois, in the United States of America to follow their religion. "Followers of God". they had 13 children. John Wright's brother, Herbert married to Lucy Ellen Willson the daughter of Alice's sister, Kate. this, in reality, made Alice's niece (Lucy Wright) also her sister-in-law. at the time of their mother's death, the Neave boys were saving money to assist her to join them in Australia.

I think William is probably Sarah's son, not grandson. Fortunately it doesn't appear to be a common error on the Census.