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Clementina Young Swankie B 1889 in Arbroath

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GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 1 Sep 2012 00:20

I had a look at some other trees to see if I could work at a Swankie/ Cargill marriage or connection.

I gave up. There are far too many inter- connecting marriages in Arbroath and St Vigeans, Angus to make any definitive decision.

alviegal

alviegal Report 31 Aug 2012 15:48

Betty Swankie, who married Mr Littlejohn in 1924 (see Anne's post above) was the daughter of Mr J S Swankie of Arbroath.


From http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast

I just put Swankie in the search box.

alviegal

alviegal Report 31 Aug 2012 13:44

I think Gush /Gash Farm was in Letham about 5 miles from Forfar and 10 miles from Arbroath.

If you follow this link http://www.scottish-places.info/counties/countyhistory14.html, you will see there is a hill called Gash in Forfarshire. Maybe the farm was near here??

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 30 Aug 2012 23:38

Ok, above threads show Swankies and Cargills on 1901 returns
Is there something here?

Marriage in New Zealand
ELIZABETH CARGILL SWANKIE married Islay Campbell Littlejohn in 1924
She died in NZ in 1981 dob 1 Feb 1898

I ran a check on SP and this girl was definitely born in Arbroath.
This is her

1901 Scotland Census about Elizabeth C Swankie
Name: Elizabeth C Swankie
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: William Swankie
Mother's Name: Cecilia C Swankie
Gender: Female
Where born: Arbroath, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 272/1
Registration district: Arbroath
Civil parish: Arbroath
Town: Arbroath
County: Angus
Address: 1 South Street
ED: 11
Household schedule number: 47
Line: 14
Roll: CSSCT1901_85
Household Members:
Name Age
William Swankie 43
Cecilia C Swankie 42
Peter Swankie 17
Alexie S Swankie 6
David C Swankie 4
Elizabeth C Swankie 1

( also an Annie Swankie married Burnett Fletcher Poad in NZ 1929)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Aug 2012 22:20

New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981 about Christina Swankie

Name: Christina Swankie
Electoral Year: 1928
District: Bay of Plenty
Region or Province: Bay of Plenty

residence Waiohkika - spinster

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Aug 2012 22:16

Wondering about this one now ???
name: Miss Christina SWANKIE
Date of departure: 9 June 1922
Port of departure: Southampton
Passenger destination port: Wellington, New Zealand
Passenger destination: Wellington, New Zealand

Date of Birth: 1892 (calculated from age)
Age: 30
Marital status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: Domestic
Passenger recorded on: Page 7 of 13




The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Miss Elizabeth SWANKIE Page 7 of 13 View transcript


Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
RUAPEHU
111357
A W Mckellar
The New Zealand Shipping Company Limited
New Zealand
6110
5746
340

was there a sister Elizabeth?

there home address was Gush Farm L???? Forfar


interestingly going to New Zealand

alviegal

alviegal Report 30 Aug 2012 21:56

This is her on the 1911 census which you can view.

1 1911 SWANKIE CLEMINTINA F 20 CARMYLLIE /ANGUS 276/00 003/00 006

alviegal

alviegal Report 30 Aug 2012 21:48

I'm actually wondering about this one. I can't find any other records for a Christiana and ancestry are notoriously bad at transcribing Scottish records. You may want to see the image yourself but you would need to buy credits on scotlandspeople.


1901 census transcription details for: 31, John Street, Arbroath
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 272
Folio: 10
Page: 20
Reg. District: Arbroath
Sub District:
Parish: Arbroath
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: Arbroath
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 31, John Street, Arbroath
County: Forfarshire (Angus)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CARGILL, John Head Married M 57 1844 Fisherman
St Vigeans, Forfarshire
CARGILL, Jane Wife Married F 57 1844
Ferryden, Forfarshire
YOUNG, Robert Adopted Son M 5 1896 Scholar
Arbroath, Forfarshire
MOFFAT, Elizabeth Visitor Single F 65 1836
Ferryden, Forfarshire
SWANKIE, Christiana Servant F 11 1890 Domestic Help
Arbroath, Forfarshire

alviegal

alviegal Report 30 Aug 2012 21:38

Just posting for reference Katrina. It is a mystery where Clementina is. She should be somewhere on the 1901 as she is surely not going to emigrate at the age of 12!


1901 census transcription details for: 21, Ladybridge Street, Arbroath
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 272
Folio: 7
Page: 26
Reg. District: Arbroath
Sub District:
Parish: Arbroath
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: Arbroath
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 21, Ladybridge Street, Arbroath
County: Forfarshire (Angus)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
PERT, John Head Married M 50 1851 Fisherman
Parish of Craig Ferryden E
CARGILL OR PERT, Isabella Wife Married F 42 1859 Fish Dealer
St Vigeans Parish E
SWANKIE, Maggie Relative Single F 9 1892 School Girl
Parish of Arbroath E, Forfarshire
PERT, Isabella Daughter F 1 1900
Parish of Arbroath E, Forfarshire

Katrina

Katrina Report 30 Aug 2012 20:16

Thank you so much for finding all that information. Very frustrating not being able to trace Clementina. I dont know if she got married, but I had a search and didnt find anything. Her mother Isabella remarried after David died in 1898. Her new husband was called John Pert and I even tried searching under Clementina Pert but to no avail. perhaps thats why the family seemed to separate, as I know Isabella and John had a son and a daughter.
Thanks again
Katrina

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Aug 2012 11:25

Not seeing Clementine/Clementina on the 1901census

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Aug 2012 11:20

family seem to have separated by 1901
Name: Betsy Swankie
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relationship: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Arbroath, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 272/1
Registration district: Arbroath
Civil parish: Arbroath
Town: Arbroath
County: Angus
Address: 23 Seagate
Occupation: Flax Spender
ED: 10
Household schedule number: 179
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1901_85
Household Members:
Name Age
Nicolson Bruce 30
Mary Bruce 30
Maggie A Bruce 7
Jane Bruce 6
Nicolson Bruce 4
Andren Bruce 2
William Bruce 4 Mos
Betsy Swankie 14>>>>>>

Source Citation: Parish: Arbroath; ED: 10; Page: 32; Line: 2; Roll: CSSCT1901_85.



Name: Daniel Swankie
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Gender: Male
Where born: Arbroath, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 269
Registration district: Aberlemno
Civil parish: Aberlemno
County: Angus
Address: Bothy At Mains Of Balgavies
Occupation: Farm Servant
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 8
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1901_85
Household Members:
Name Age
George Sturrock 20
James Millar 21
James Cook 19
William Stewart 16
Alexr Mclean 17
Daniel Swankie 18>>>>
William Weir 56

Source Citation: Parish: Aberlemno; ED: 1; Page: 2; Line: 17; Roll: CSSCT1901_85.




Name: Mary C Swankie
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relationship: Grand Daur (Granddaughter)
Gender: Female
Where born: Arbroath, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 272/1
Registration district: Arbroath
Civil parish: Arbroath
Town: Arbroath
County: Angus
Address: 13 Union St East
Occupation: Millworker (flax Spenning Shifter)
ED: 11
Household schedule number: 125
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1901_85
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Cargill 69
Clementina Young 67
Mary C Swankie 16 >>>

Source Citation: Parish: Arbroath; ED: 11; Page: 21; Line: 6; Roll: CSSCT1901_85.

NOTE the name of Clementina Young 67 maybe thats where the younger Clementina got her name from

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Aug 2012 11:10

1891 down as Clementine
Name: Clemintine Swankie
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: David Swankie
Mother's Name: Isabella Swankie
Gender: Female
Where born: Arbroath, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 272
Registration district: Arbroath
Civil parish: Arbroath
Town: Arbroath
County: Angus
Address: 19 Old Shorehead
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 178
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1891_81
Household Members:
Name Age
David Swankie 33
Isabella Swankie 32
Daniel Swankie 9
Mary Swankie 7
Betsy Swankie 4
Clemintine Swankie 2

Source Citation: Parish: Arbroath; ED: 7; Page: 28; Line: 13; Roll: CSSCT1891_81.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Aug 2012 11:07

Cant see her leaving the UK as Swankie did she marry ?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Aug 2012 11:06

Her birth is on Scotlands People which is pay to view

Katrina

Katrina Report 30 Aug 2012 11:02

I am trying to trace Clementina who I believe died in New Zealand in1967. Any information at all would be a help.