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:-D :-D :-D

No snap, fellow Canuck, I beat you fair & square!

and Edward's death in 1948 may explain why no more children.

snap Margee :-D

Using the information from that tree .............


this is possibly your Edward on the 1911 Census


1911 Census

Name: Edward Hartill
Age in 1911: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1906
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Southport, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Southport
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 69 Matlock Rd Birkdale Southport
Occupation: School
Registration district: Ormskirk
Registration District Number: 457
Sub-registration district: Formby
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 22857

Joseph Hartill 38 b.ca 1873, Birmingham, General Labourer
Alice Hartill 33 b.ca 1878, Waterloo, Lancashire
Joseph Hartill 7
Edward Hartill 5
Elizabeth Ann Hartill 3
Emily Hartill 1


Married 8 years
4 children born, 4 children still living



and this may be your Martha ..........


1911 Census

Name: Martha Hodge
Age in 1911: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1908
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: North Meols, Lancashire
Civil parish: Southport
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: Mr High Park Rd Southport
Registration district: Ormskirk
Registration District Number: 457
Sub-registration district: North Meols
ED, institution, or vessel: 48
Piece: 22914

Edward Hodge 24 b.ca 1887, Birkdale, Lancashire, Railway Man Vanman
Mary Emily Hodge 28 b.ca 1883, Shrewsbury, Shropshire
Martha Hodge 3
John Hodge 3/12

Married 3 years
2 children born, 2 children living





Of course, you know that only by buying the marriage certificate for Edward and Martha will you know if I have guessed correctly. :-D






sylvia

I wonder if this is her?

1911 England Census
about Martha Hodge Name: Martha Hodge
Age in 1911: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1908
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: North Meols, Lancashire
Civil parish: Southport
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: Mr High Park Rd Southport
Registration district: Ormskirk
Registration District Number: 457
Sub-registration district: North Meols
ED, institution, or vessel: 48
Piece: 22914
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Hodge 24 , railway man, van man, parcels delivery, born Birkdale, Lancs.
Mary Emily Hodge 28 , born Shrewsbury, Shropshire
Martha Hodge 3 , born North Meols, Southport
John Hodge 3/12 , born"

Parents married 3 years, 2 children, both living.

I found the following on a Public Family Tree on ancestry.

HOWEVER, all such information MUST be taken with a pinch of salt, and treated with great care .................. many people who have public trees on ancestry merely copy information from elsewhere, and do not check for authenticity.

The information can give you a guideline, but MUST be checked before adding to your tree ......... and of course, you know that ideally means buying certificates!


Edward Hartill
Birth Jul 1906 in Lancashire, United Kingdom
Death Mar 1948 in Southport, Lancashire, England


1931 Mar
Age: 24
Marriage
Ormskirk, Lancashire


1948 Mar
Age: 41
Death
Southport, Lancashire, England


Parents

Father not known
Mother not known


Spouse & Children

Martha Hodge 1908 – 1987

1 child only shown, and name and birth date kept Private




Martha Hodge
Birth 3 May 1908 in Lancashire, United Kingdom
Death Sep 1987 in Sefton North, Merseyside, England






sylvia

So born 1908, last child born 1944, she would have been 36.

Only entry found -

Martha Hartill 1908 Sep 1987 Sefton North Merseyside

Checked and corrected - although i have no dates for Martha Hodge so no idea how old she would of been after last child born..

Haven't you checked FreeBMD, Mark? There's 6 years between Joan and Alan.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

found marriage and daughter for Edward

Looks like the surviving sons are still in the Southport area. Possible phone number on BT.com.

Rose

Not seeing any twins. They are all born different years.

E is the middle initial.

Rose

Is Alan a twin to surviving Joan

Found a death for this Alan too:

Births Jun 1944
Hartill Alan Hodge Southport 8b 1439

Rose

Thank you is the E a middle initial sorry

The first Joan died:

Deaths Sep 1934
Hartill Joan E 0 Southport 8b 733

Rose

The spacing of the births and they fact there's no other Hartill/Hodge marriage would suggest they are the same family.

I would think most of the family are still alive so tracking them down would be cheaper than buying 6 certs.

Rose

so you think 1931-1938

Yes the children of this marriage - i spend the afternoon in the library looking at the local newspapers bmd section