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31 Aug 2012 17:14 |
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Thank you so so much for your help.
Very grateful to you.
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31 Aug 2012 17:03 |
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Well then. it gets back to your original question - where are the girls, and which one survived to 1911.
My guess is this is Ada:
Deaths Jun 1906 (>99%) Evans Ada Frances 19 Atcham 6a 422
so Eliza's vanished for 1901/1911.
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ethelberta
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31 Aug 2012 11:58 |
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I will go along with your answers. It makes sense and follows. Thank you so much for your efforts very grate ful to you
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30 Aug 2012 21:29 |
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So what abt our Eddie - I think this is him, and Herb moved nearby:
1911 England Census Civil parish: Monks Coppenhall County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street Address: 303 West St Crewe Cheshire Registration district: Nantwich Registration District Number: 449 Sub-registration district: Crewe [#1] ED, institution, or vessel: 35 Piece: 21787 [Household schedule number: 50] Edward Evans 40 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Head M Gatekeeper Edith Evans 39 Oswestry, Shropshire, England Wife M Florrence Evans 17 Crewe, Cheshire, England Daughter S Albert Edward Evans 11 Crewe, Cheshire, England Son Violet Evans 7 Crewe, Cheshire, England Daughter Sarah Jones 63 Wellington, Shropshire, England Mother-in-law W Charles Pugh 24 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Boarder S Railway Clerk [Years Married: 17; 4 live births, 3 still living] Starting at 14 Evans Street, go to the S end of the street, jog SE on Ellis 100m, then SW on Ford Lane 500m and you're on West St.
Marriages Sep 1893 (>99%) Evans Edward Nantwich 8a 561 Jones Edith Ellen Nantwich 8a 561 Linnell Sarah Ann Nantwich 8a 561 Tegarty William Nantwich 8a 561
1901 England Census County:Cheshire Parish:MONKS COPPENHALL Street:163 UNDERWOOD LANE Occupation:FOREMAN STATIONARY ENGINE Ecclesiastical District:ST MICHAELS COPPENHALL Municipal Ward:NORTH Parliamentary Borough:CREWE Registration District:NANTWICH Sub District:CREWE Enumeration District:41 Archive Reference:RG13 Piece Number:3359 Folio:95 Page:23
EDWARD EVANS 1873 28 SHREWSBURY, Salop Head M GATEKEEPER L & N W RLWY EDITH E EVANS 1873 28 OSWESTRY, Salop Wife M FLORENCE A EVANS 1894 7 CREWE, Chester Daur ALBERT E EVANS 1900 1 CREWE, Chester Son ANDREW WHITFIELD 1881 20 ALVESTON, Staffs Boarder S FOREMAN STATIONARY ENGINE
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1901 England Census County:Lancashire Parish:BROUGHTON Street:132 LOWER BROUGHTON ROAD Ecclesiastical District:LOWER BROUGHTON THE ASCENSION Municipal Ward:GROSVENOR Parliamentary Borough:SALFORD NORTH Registration District:SALFORD Sub District:BROUGHTON Enumeration District:10 Archive Reference:RG13 Piece Number:3723 Folio:70 Page:31
GEORGE EATON 1839 62 Montgomery Head M TAILOR ELIZA EATON 1851 50 SHREWSBURY, Shropshire Wife M GEORGE F EATON 1875 26 MILES PLATTING, Lancs Son S WAREHOUSEMAN (LACE TRADE) CHARLES W EATON 1880 21 BROUGHTON, Lancs Son S STOCK KEEPER (DRESS GOODS) FLORRIE G EATON 1883 18 BROUGHTON, Lancs Daur S LADY CLERK (WAREHOUSE) HUGH H EATON 1888 13 BROUGHTON, Lancs Son OFFICE BOY (SHIPPING HOUSE) THOMAS H ROWLANDS 1879 22 BROUGHTON, Lancs Boarder S WIRE DRAWER
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ethelberta
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30 Aug 2012 21:07 |
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Thank you very much.
Well done.
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mgnv
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30 Aug 2012 20:52 |
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Again, using FreeBMD and http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd These look likely:
Shropshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1868 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference EVANS William S STEENTON Eliza St George, Shrewsbury Shrewsbury C-S50/2/264
Deaths Dec 1914 (>99%) Evans Eliza 69 Atcham 6a 788
Deaths Mar 1920 (>99%) EVANS William S 75 Atcham 6a 841
1911 England Census Civil parish: Monks Coppenhall County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street Address: 14 Evans Street Coppenhall Crewe Cheshire Registration district: Nantwich Registration District Number: 449 Sub-registration district: Crewe ED, institution, or vessel: 29 Piece: 21781 [Schedule # 174] Henry Evans 37 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Head M Steel Caster Agnes Matilda Evans 31 Newtown, Montgomeryshire, Wales Wife M William Henry Evans 7 Crewe, Cheshire, England Son School Wilfred Evans 2 Crewe, Cheshire, England Son [Years Married: 8; 4 live births, 2 still living]
Marriages Dec 1902 (>99%) Evans Frank Newtown 11b 325 Evans Henry Newtown 11b 325 Griffiths Martha Elizabeth Newtown 11b 325 Roberts Agnes Matilda Newtown 11b 325
North Wales Marriage indexes for the years: 1902 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference EVANS Frank Match Possible Spouses Llanllwchaiarn Powys - Llandrindod Wells CN08/2/183 EVANS Henry Match Possible Spouses Llanllwchaiarn Powys - Llandrindod Wells CN08/2/183 [Unfortunately, the GRO and church rego pages are aligned this quarter] GRIFFITHS Martha Elizabeth Match Possible Spouses Llanllwchaiarn Powys - Llandrindod Wells CN08/2/183 ROBERTS Agnes Matilda Match Possible Spouses Llanllwchaiarn Powys - Llandrindod Wells CN08/2/183
1911 England Census Civil parish: Mortlake County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address: 14 Stanley Road, East Sheen Mortlake, Surrey Registration district: Richmond Registration District Number: 41 Sub-registration district: Mortlake ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Piece: 3616 [Household schedule number: 82] George Evans 31 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Head M Compositor Ellen Clara Evans 30 Waltham Cross, Essex, England Wife M Walter George Evans 8/12 East Sheen, Surrey, England Son [Years Married: 3; 1 live births, 1 still living]
Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%) EVANS George Richmond, S. 2a 1047 HARVEY Ellen Clara Richmond. S. 2a 1047 IRELAND William Richmond, S. 2a 1047 SEARS Stephen John Malling 2a 1047 SUCKLING Gertrude Richmmond, S. 2a 1047
Births Sep 1910 (>99%) EVANS Walter G Richmond, S. 2a 521
1911 England Census Civil parish: Shrewsbury St Mary County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street Address: 20 Queen St, Shrewsbury Registration district: Atcham Registration District Number: 349 Sub-registration district: St Mary ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Piece: 16072 [Household schedule number: 290] Herbert Charles Evans 29 Shrewsbury, Salop, England Head M Carpenter And Joiner Florrie Gertrude Evans 28 Salford, Lancashire, England Wife M Hugh Herbert Evans 2 Shelton, St Julian, Shrewsbury Son [Years Married: 3; 1 live births, 1 still living]
Marriages Dec 1907 (>99%) BOOTH Thomas Salford 8d 27 EATON Florrie Gertrude Salford 8d 27 EVANS Herbert Charles Salford 8d 27 LEESE Ellen Salford 8d 27
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1907 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference EVANS Herbert C EATON Florrie G Broughton St Clements Salford C39/3/424
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30 Aug 2012 20:10 |
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ethelberta - Re: Evans Edward Son 1871 Shrewsbury Living in Weston, Bath (Groom) In 1901 (Married 1891 to Mary Ann H Clark) Living at Vernon Hse Stables, Weston, Bath In 1911 living at Knapp Cottage Selsley Near Stroud Gloucestershire
I don't think so - here's why:
Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%) Clark Mary Ann H Bath 5c 1125 Evans Edward Bath 5c 1125
Bath Marriage indexes for the years: 1891 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference EVANS Edward CLARK Mary Ann Harriet Bath, Weston All Saints (Weston Village) Bath C22/2/411
That Eddie is in Bath 1891 RG12/1940 4 2 EVANS, Edward Bath VIEW VIEW and our Eddie's at home in 1891
groom's name: Edward Evans groom's birth date: 1870 groom's age: 21 bride's name: Mary Ann Harriet Clark bride's birth date: 1869 bride's age: 22 marriage date: 23 Dec 1891 marriage place: Weston, Somerset, England groom's father's name: John Evans bride's father's name: John Clark indexing project (batch) number: I02270-3 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1526764 reference number: Item 16, p206 Source Citation "England, Marriages, 1538–1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NF9T-389 : accessed 30 Aug 2012), Edward Evans and Mary Ann Harriet Clark, 23 Dec 1891; citing reference Item 16, p206, FHL microfilm 1526764.
I think Bath Eddie's this guy:
1881 England Census Civil parish: Shrewsbury St Julian County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street Address: 28 Longden Coleham Pt House Registration district: Atcham Sub-registration district: St Mary ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Piece: 2651 Folio: 50 Page Number: 10
John Evans 52 Donnington, Shropshire, England Head M Fishmonger Elizabeth Evans 38 Tenby, Pembrokeshire, Wales Wife M Mary Evans 13 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Daughter Scholar Edward Evans 11 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Son Scholar Thomas Evans Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Son Maryann Mopsey 13 Scholar Martha Jones 77 Church Stretton, Shropshire, England Lodger W Wife
Eddie's gone by 1891:
1891 England Census County:Shropshire Parish:SHREWSBURY Street:LONGDEN COLEHAM City:SHREWSBURY Ecclesiastical District:HOLY TRINITY Municipal Ward:STONE Parliamentary Borough:SHREWSBURY Registration District:ATCHAM Sub District:ST MARY Enumeration District:20 Town:SHREWSBURY Archive Reference:RG12 Piece Number:2111 Folio:23 Page:6 JOHN EVANS 1829 62 DONNINGTON, SHROPSHIRE HEAD M FISH HAWKER ELIZTH EVANS 1843 48 TENBY, SOUTH WALES WIFE M THOMAS EVANS 1881 10 SHREWSBURY, SHROPSHIRE SON SCHOLAR MARTHA JONES 1804 87 ALL-STRETTON, SHROPSHIRE LODGER W LIVING ON HER OWN MEANS
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30 Aug 2012 20:01 |
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1891 England Census County:Shropshire Parish:SHREWSBURY Street:SHELTON LANE City:SHREWSBURY Town:BICTON HEATH Ecclesiastical District:ST JULIANS House Name:SHELTON COTTAGES Municipal Ward:WELSH Parliamentary Borough:OSWESTRY Registration District:ATCHAM Sub District:ST CHAD Enumeration District:8 Archive Reference:RG12 Piece Number:2113 Folio:38 Page:2 -> Folio:39 Page:3
WILLIAM S EVANS 1845 46 SHREWSBURY, Shropshire HEAD M RAILWAY SIGNALMAN ELIZA EVANS 1846 45 SHREWSBURY, Shropshire WIFE M EDWARD EVANS 1871 20 SHREWSBURY, Shropshire SON S RAILWAY PORTER HENRY EVANS 1874 17 SHREWSBURY, Shropshire SON S RAILWAY PORTER ELIZA EVANS 1878 13 SHREWSBURY, Shropshire DAUGHTER S SCHOLAR GEORGE EVANS 1880 11 SHREWSBURY, Shropshire SON SCHOLAR HERBERT C EVANS 1882 9 SHREWSBURY, Shropshire SON SCHOLAR ADA F EVANS 1887 4 BICTON, Shropshire DAUGHTER FRANK E DAVIES 1875 16 BICTON, Shropshire COUSIN S BOOK BINDER FLORRIE G EATON 1883 8 SALFORD, Lancashire NIECE SCHOLAR
1901 England Census County:Shropshire Parish:BICTON Ecclesiastical District:ST JULIAN House Name:SHELTON Town:SHELTON Parliamentary Borough:OSWESTRY OR WESTERN Registration District:ATCHAM Sub District:ST CHAD Enumeration District:7 Archive Reference:RG13 Piece Number:2541 Folio:13 Page:18 -> Folio:14 Page:19
WILLIAM S EVANS 1845 56 SHREWSBURY, Salop Head M RAILWAY SIGNALMAN ELIZA EVANS 1845 56 SHREWSBURY, Salop Wife M HERBERT EVANS 1882 19 SHREWSBURY, Salop Son S CARPENTER'S APPRENTICE ADA F EVANS 1887 14 SHREWSBURY, Salop Daur S FRANK E DAVIES 1875 26 SHREWSBURY, Salop Cousin S BOOK BINDER
1911 England Census Civil parish: Bicton County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street Address: No 4 Shelton Cottages, Shelton Nr Shrewsbury Registration district: Atcham Registration District Number: 349 Sub-registration district: St Chad ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 113 Piece: 16093 [Schedule # 113] William Simon Evans 66 St Julians, Shoprshire Head M Railway Porter Eliza Evans 65 Shrewsbury, Shoprshire Wife M [Years Married: 42; 11 live births, 5 still living]
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ethelberta
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30 Aug 2012 19:58 |
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1891 Census William S Evans 1845 Head Shrewsbury Eliza Evans 1846 Wife Shrewsbury Edward Evans 1871 Son Shrewsbury Henry Evans 1874 Shrewsbury Eliza Evans 1878 Shrewsbury George Evans 1880 Shrewsbury Herbert Evans 1882 Shrewsbury Ada F Evans 1877 Shrewsbury
All living in the same household.
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30 Aug 2012 18:33 |
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Reposting..can you post the 1891 census because I can't find it
Jude
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ethelberta
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30 Aug 2012 16:20 |
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Thankyou kindly for the info. That means that my Ada remains a spinster.
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mgnv
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30 Aug 2012 08:26 |
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ethelberta - Re: Evans Ada Florence Dghtr 1887 Bicton, Shrewsbury Married Reginald W Davies 1924 Shrewsbury ?????????
I don't think so - here's why:
Marriages Sep 1924 (>99%) BIRCH Frank L Pye Atcham 6a 1540 Davies Reginald W Evans Atcham 6a 1540 EVANS Ada F Davies Atcham 6a 1540 Pye Nora E Birch Atcham 6a 1540
Using http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd Shropshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1924 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference EVANS Ada F DAVIES Reginald W St Mary, Shrewsbury Shrewsbury C-S70/5/457
groom's name: Reginald Wallace Davies groom's age: bride's name: Ada Frances Evans bride's age: marriage date: 09 Aug 1924 marriage place: Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England groom's father's name: John Edward Davies bride's father's name: Joseph Evans indexing project (batch) number: I02496-6 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1702205 reference number: 229 Source Citation "England, Marriages, 1538–1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN7J-CLV : accessed 30 Aug 2012), Reginald Wallace Davies and Ada Frances Evans, 09 Aug 1924; citing reference 229, FHL microfilm 1702205.
I think this is Reg's Ada:
1911 England Census Civil parish: Rodington County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street Address: 3 Grove Cottages, Rodington Registration district: Wellington Registration District Number: 355 Sub-registration district: Ercall Magna ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 66 Piece: 16288 Joseph Evans 45 Emma Louisa Evans 45 Edith Mabel Evans 15 Joseph Ernest Evans 12 Frederick Henry Evans 10 Ada Frances Evans 7 Roden, Shropshire Daughter
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28 Aug 2012 21:17 |
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Can you post the 1891 census?
From 1871 and 1881 there are seven children..guessing Alfred H 1869 died between 1871 and 1881 as you surmise.
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28 Aug 2012 16:00 |
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Maddie In 1911 Census William and Eliza were living alone in Shrewsbury. The Cunsus says that they had 11 children of which 6 had died
Here is a list of 1881
Children Evans Albert H Son 1869 Chester Evans Edward Son 1871 Shrewsbury Living in Weston, Bath (Groom) In 1901 (Married 1891 to Mary Ann H Clark) Living at Vernon Hse Stables, Weston, Bath In 1911 living at Knapp Cottage Selsley Near Stroud Gloucestershire Evans Henry Son 1874 Shrewsbury In 1911 (Married 1903 to Agnes Matilda Roberts) living in 14 Evans Street Crewe Evans Eliza Dghtr 1878 Shrewsbury Evans George Son 1880 Shrewsbury In 1911 Living in 14 Stanley Rd, Mortlake, Surrey (Married) Evans Herbert Son 1882 Shrewsbury In 1911 (Married Florrie Gertrude 1908) Living at 20 Queen St, Shrewsbury Evans Ada Florence Dghtr 1887 Bicton, Shrewsbury Married Reginald W Davies 1924 Shrewsbury ?????????
Eliza was alive in 1891 Census found her in the end.
No luck with her getting married tho.
Can you possibly trace the other 4 children (presumed deceased)
By deduction Alfred (not listed after 1871)and Eliza (not listed after 1891) must have died
Thank you kindly for looking up for me.
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ethelberta
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28 Aug 2012 14:39 |
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Thank you for your help Maddie, very much appreciated.
The dates tie up, but as u say, probably not her.
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28 Aug 2012 13:26 |
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Hi had a look but not much luck, only death i can find is this but probably not her Name: EVANS, Eliza
Registration district: [?] Newport (Shropshire)
County: Shropshire
Year of registration: 1887
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death:9
Volume no: 6A
Page no: 458 sorry maddie
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ethelberta
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27 Aug 2012 14:56 |
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Maddie
can you possibly find if one of these Eliza`s was originally an Eliza Evans Please
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27 Aug 2012 14:45 |
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may not be of any help but this is a list of Eliz's born 1878 +/_ 2 years in shrewsbury 1911 Household CALCOTT, Eliza 1881 30 F Saffron Walden Essex Household DOWLEY, Eliza 1880 31 F Atcham Shropshire Institution EBREY, Eliza 1879 32 F Atcham Shropshire Household GIBBS, Eliza 1877 34 F Atcham Shropshire Household HUMPHREYS, Eliza Annie 1877 34 F Atcham Shropshire Household MARTIN, Eliza 1875 36 F Macclesfield Cheshire Household MERCHANT, Eliza 1880 31 F Atcham Shropshire Household PURSLOW, Eliza Rosamond 1875 36 F Chorlton Lancashire Institution ROBERTS, Eliza 1878 33 F Atcham Shropshire Household ROBERTS, Eliza Selina 1879 32 F Atcham Shropshire Household SMITH, Eliza 1876 35 F Corwen Merionethshire Household SMITH, Eliza Ann 1877 34 F Church Stretton Shropshire Household WAREING, Eliza 1881 30 F Birkenhead Cheshire
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27 Aug 2012 14:40 |
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sorry, thats true
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ethelberta
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27 Aug 2012 14:29 |
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It could not be either Jump or Lewis as they were both 1888 registrations. Eliza would have only been 10 years old in 1888.
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