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27 Aug 2012 13:56 |
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These ladies were born of William Simon Evans B 1845 Shrewsbury and his wife Eliza Evans (nee Steenton) B 1846 Shrewsbury who Married in 1868 in Shrewsbury.
Daughter Eliza was born in 1878 +/- 1 in Shrewsbury
Ada Florence Evans born in Bicton, Shrewsbury 1887 +/- 1
I cannot find a marriage for Eliza (1878)
I have found a Marriage for Ada (1887) to a Reginald W Davies in 1924. This would make Ada 37 years of age. I am unable to trace any information on Reginald so do not know how old he was in 1924. A son was born in Shrewsbury in 1925 named Reginald W Davies with the Mothers Maiden Name of Evans. Is this the same family.
Can someone please confirm or refute this information and also confirm that Eliza (1878) remained a spinster.
Thankyou kindly for your assistance.
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27 Aug 2012 14:11 |
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When have you last found Eliza? I see she is not with the family 1901:
1901 England Census
Name: Ada F Evans Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William S Evans Mother's Name: Eliza Evans Gender: Female Where born: Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Civil parish: Bicton Ecclesiastical parish: St Julian Town: Shelton County/Island: Shropshire Registration district: Atcham Sub-registration district: St Chad
William S Evans 66 Eliza Evans 56 Herbert Evans 19 Ada F Evans 14 Frank E Davies 26
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27 Aug 2012 14:15 |
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possibles MarriageFinder™: Eliza Evans married Edward Jump [?]
Name: EVANS, Eliza
Registration district: [?] Atcham
County: Shropshire
Year of registration: 1887
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name Not available before 1912
Volume no: [?] 6A
Page no: [?] 1241 View the original image
Name: JUMP, Edward
Registration district: Atcham
County: Shropshire
Year of registration: 1887
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 6A
Page no: 1241 arriageFinder™: Eliza Evans married Thomas Lewis [?]
Name: EVANS, Eliza
Registration district: [?] Atcham
County: Shropshire
Year of registration: 1888
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name Not available before 1912
Volume no: [?] 6A
Page no: [?] 1173 View the original image
Name: LEWIS, Thomas
Registration district: Atcham
County: Shropshire
Year of registration: 1888
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 6A
Page no: 1173
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27 Aug 2012 14:19 |
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1881 for ref EVANS, Wm S Head Married M 36 1845 Railway Pointsman Shrewsbury, Shropshire VIEW EVANS, Eliza Wife Married F 35 1846 Shrewsbury, Shropshire VIEW EVANS, Edward Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar Shrewsbury, Shropshire VIEW EVANS, Henry Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar Shrewsbury, Shropshire VIEW EVANS, Eliza Daughter Single F 3 1878 Shrewsbury, Shropshire VIEW EVANS, George Son Single M 1 1880 Shrewsbury, Shropshire VIEW STEENTON, Henry Father In Law Widower M 65 1816 Baker Ludlow, Shropshire VIEW
Piece: 2653
Folio: 112
Page: 38
Registration District: Atcham
Civil Parish: Shrewsbury St Chad
Municipal Borough:
Address: 5, Providence Sq, Shrewsbury St Chad
County: Shropshire redefine current search back to 1881 census search resultsBack to all
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27 Aug 2012 14:25 |
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i last found Eliza as you have in1881.
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ethelberta
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27 Aug 2012 14:29 |
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It could not be either Jump or Lewis as they were both 1888 registrations. Eliza would have only been 10 years old in 1888.
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Maddie
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27 Aug 2012 14:40 |
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sorry, thats true
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Maddie
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27 Aug 2012 14:45 |
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may not be of any help but this is a list of Eliz's born 1878 +/_ 2 years in shrewsbury 1911 Household CALCOTT, Eliza 1881 30 F Saffron Walden Essex Household DOWLEY, Eliza 1880 31 F Atcham Shropshire Institution EBREY, Eliza 1879 32 F Atcham Shropshire Household GIBBS, Eliza 1877 34 F Atcham Shropshire Household HUMPHREYS, Eliza Annie 1877 34 F Atcham Shropshire Household MARTIN, Eliza 1875 36 F Macclesfield Cheshire Household MERCHANT, Eliza 1880 31 F Atcham Shropshire Household PURSLOW, Eliza Rosamond 1875 36 F Chorlton Lancashire Institution ROBERTS, Eliza 1878 33 F Atcham Shropshire Household ROBERTS, Eliza Selina 1879 32 F Atcham Shropshire Household SMITH, Eliza 1876 35 F Corwen Merionethshire Household SMITH, Eliza Ann 1877 34 F Church Stretton Shropshire Household WAREING, Eliza 1881 30 F Birkenhead Cheshire
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ethelberta
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27 Aug 2012 14:56 |
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Maddie
can you possibly find if one of these Eliza`s was originally an Eliza Evans Please
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Maddie
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28 Aug 2012 13:26 |
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Hi had a look but not much luck, only death i can find is this but probably not her Name: EVANS, Eliza
Registration district: [?] Newport (Shropshire)
County: Shropshire
Year of registration: 1887
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death:9
Volume no: 6A
Page no: 458 sorry maddie
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ethelberta
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28 Aug 2012 14:39 |
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Thank you for your help Maddie, very much appreciated.
The dates tie up, but as u say, probably not her.
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ethelberta
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28 Aug 2012 16:00 |
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Maddie In 1911 Census William and Eliza were living alone in Shrewsbury. The Cunsus says that they had 11 children of which 6 had died
Here is a list of 1881
Children Evans Albert H Son 1869 Chester Evans Edward Son 1871 Shrewsbury Living in Weston, Bath (Groom) In 1901 (Married 1891 to Mary Ann H Clark) Living at Vernon Hse Stables, Weston, Bath In 1911 living at Knapp Cottage Selsley Near Stroud Gloucestershire Evans Henry Son 1874 Shrewsbury In 1911 (Married 1903 to Agnes Matilda Roberts) living in 14 Evans Street Crewe Evans Eliza Dghtr 1878 Shrewsbury Evans George Son 1880 Shrewsbury In 1911 Living in 14 Stanley Rd, Mortlake, Surrey (Married) Evans Herbert Son 1882 Shrewsbury In 1911 (Married Florrie Gertrude 1908) Living at 20 Queen St, Shrewsbury Evans Ada Florence Dghtr 1887 Bicton, Shrewsbury Married Reginald W Davies 1924 Shrewsbury ?????????
Eliza was alive in 1891 Census found her in the end.
No luck with her getting married tho.
Can you possibly trace the other 4 children (presumed deceased)
By deduction Alfred (not listed after 1871)and Eliza (not listed after 1891) must have died
Thank you kindly for looking up for me.
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28 Aug 2012 21:17 |
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Can you post the 1891 census?
From 1871 and 1881 there are seven children..guessing Alfred H 1869 died between 1871 and 1881 as you surmise.
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30 Aug 2012 08:26 |
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ethelberta - Re: Evans Ada Florence Dghtr 1887 Bicton, Shrewsbury Married Reginald W Davies 1924 Shrewsbury ?????????
I don't think so - here's why:
Marriages Sep 1924 (>99%) BIRCH Frank L Pye Atcham 6a 1540 Davies Reginald W Evans Atcham 6a 1540 EVANS Ada F Davies Atcham 6a 1540 Pye Nora E Birch Atcham 6a 1540
Using http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd Shropshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1924 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference EVANS Ada F DAVIES Reginald W St Mary, Shrewsbury Shrewsbury C-S70/5/457
groom's name: Reginald Wallace Davies groom's age: bride's name: Ada Frances Evans bride's age: marriage date: 09 Aug 1924 marriage place: Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England groom's father's name: John Edward Davies bride's father's name: Joseph Evans indexing project (batch) number: I02496-6 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1702205 reference number: 229 Source Citation "England, Marriages, 1538–1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN7J-CLV : accessed 30 Aug 2012), Reginald Wallace Davies and Ada Frances Evans, 09 Aug 1924; citing reference 229, FHL microfilm 1702205.
I think this is Reg's Ada:
1911 England Census Civil parish: Rodington County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street Address: 3 Grove Cottages, Rodington Registration district: Wellington Registration District Number: 355 Sub-registration district: Ercall Magna ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 66 Piece: 16288 Joseph Evans 45 Emma Louisa Evans 45 Edith Mabel Evans 15 Joseph Ernest Evans 12 Frederick Henry Evans 10 Ada Frances Evans 7 Roden, Shropshire Daughter
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ethelberta
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30 Aug 2012 16:20 |
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Thankyou kindly for the info. That means that my Ada remains a spinster.
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30 Aug 2012 18:33 |
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Reposting..can you post the 1891 census because I can't find it
Jude
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30 Aug 2012 19:58 |
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1891 Census William S Evans 1845 Head Shrewsbury Eliza Evans 1846 Wife Shrewsbury Edward Evans 1871 Son Shrewsbury Henry Evans 1874 Shrewsbury Eliza Evans 1878 Shrewsbury George Evans 1880 Shrewsbury Herbert Evans 1882 Shrewsbury Ada F Evans 1877 Shrewsbury
All living in the same household.
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30 Aug 2012 20:01 |
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1891 England Census County:Shropshire Parish:SHREWSBURY Street:SHELTON LANE City:SHREWSBURY Town:BICTON HEATH Ecclesiastical District:ST JULIANS House Name:SHELTON COTTAGES Municipal Ward:WELSH Parliamentary Borough:OSWESTRY Registration District:ATCHAM Sub District:ST CHAD Enumeration District:8 Archive Reference:RG12 Piece Number:2113 Folio:38 Page:2 -> Folio:39 Page:3
WILLIAM S EVANS 1845 46 SHREWSBURY, Shropshire HEAD M RAILWAY SIGNALMAN ELIZA EVANS 1846 45 SHREWSBURY, Shropshire WIFE M EDWARD EVANS 1871 20 SHREWSBURY, Shropshire SON S RAILWAY PORTER HENRY EVANS 1874 17 SHREWSBURY, Shropshire SON S RAILWAY PORTER ELIZA EVANS 1878 13 SHREWSBURY, Shropshire DAUGHTER S SCHOLAR GEORGE EVANS 1880 11 SHREWSBURY, Shropshire SON SCHOLAR HERBERT C EVANS 1882 9 SHREWSBURY, Shropshire SON SCHOLAR ADA F EVANS 1887 4 BICTON, Shropshire DAUGHTER FRANK E DAVIES 1875 16 BICTON, Shropshire COUSIN S BOOK BINDER FLORRIE G EATON 1883 8 SALFORD, Lancashire NIECE SCHOLAR
1901 England Census County:Shropshire Parish:BICTON Ecclesiastical District:ST JULIAN House Name:SHELTON Town:SHELTON Parliamentary Borough:OSWESTRY OR WESTERN Registration District:ATCHAM Sub District:ST CHAD Enumeration District:7 Archive Reference:RG13 Piece Number:2541 Folio:13 Page:18 -> Folio:14 Page:19
WILLIAM S EVANS 1845 56 SHREWSBURY, Salop Head M RAILWAY SIGNALMAN ELIZA EVANS 1845 56 SHREWSBURY, Salop Wife M HERBERT EVANS 1882 19 SHREWSBURY, Salop Son S CARPENTER'S APPRENTICE ADA F EVANS 1887 14 SHREWSBURY, Salop Daur S FRANK E DAVIES 1875 26 SHREWSBURY, Salop Cousin S BOOK BINDER
1911 England Census Civil parish: Bicton County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street Address: No 4 Shelton Cottages, Shelton Nr Shrewsbury Registration district: Atcham Registration District Number: 349 Sub-registration district: St Chad ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 113 Piece: 16093 [Schedule # 113] William Simon Evans 66 St Julians, Shoprshire Head M Railway Porter Eliza Evans 65 Shrewsbury, Shoprshire Wife M [Years Married: 42; 11 live births, 5 still living]
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30 Aug 2012 20:10 |
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ethelberta - Re: Evans Edward Son 1871 Shrewsbury Living in Weston, Bath (Groom) In 1901 (Married 1891 to Mary Ann H Clark) Living at Vernon Hse Stables, Weston, Bath In 1911 living at Knapp Cottage Selsley Near Stroud Gloucestershire
I don't think so - here's why:
Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%) Clark Mary Ann H Bath 5c 1125 Evans Edward Bath 5c 1125
Bath Marriage indexes for the years: 1891 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference EVANS Edward CLARK Mary Ann Harriet Bath, Weston All Saints (Weston Village) Bath C22/2/411
That Eddie is in Bath 1891 RG12/1940 4 2 EVANS, Edward Bath VIEW VIEW and our Eddie's at home in 1891
groom's name: Edward Evans groom's birth date: 1870 groom's age: 21 bride's name: Mary Ann Harriet Clark bride's birth date: 1869 bride's age: 22 marriage date: 23 Dec 1891 marriage place: Weston, Somerset, England groom's father's name: John Evans bride's father's name: John Clark indexing project (batch) number: I02270-3 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1526764 reference number: Item 16, p206 Source Citation "England, Marriages, 1538–1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NF9T-389 : accessed 30 Aug 2012), Edward Evans and Mary Ann Harriet Clark, 23 Dec 1891; citing reference Item 16, p206, FHL microfilm 1526764.
I think Bath Eddie's this guy:
1881 England Census Civil parish: Shrewsbury St Julian County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street Address: 28 Longden Coleham Pt House Registration district: Atcham Sub-registration district: St Mary ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Piece: 2651 Folio: 50 Page Number: 10
John Evans 52 Donnington, Shropshire, England Head M Fishmonger Elizabeth Evans 38 Tenby, Pembrokeshire, Wales Wife M Mary Evans 13 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Daughter Scholar Edward Evans 11 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Son Scholar Thomas Evans Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Son Maryann Mopsey 13 Scholar Martha Jones 77 Church Stretton, Shropshire, England Lodger W Wife
Eddie's gone by 1891:
1891 England Census County:Shropshire Parish:SHREWSBURY Street:LONGDEN COLEHAM City:SHREWSBURY Ecclesiastical District:HOLY TRINITY Municipal Ward:STONE Parliamentary Borough:SHREWSBURY Registration District:ATCHAM Sub District:ST MARY Enumeration District:20 Town:SHREWSBURY Archive Reference:RG12 Piece Number:2111 Folio:23 Page:6 JOHN EVANS 1829 62 DONNINGTON, SHROPSHIRE HEAD M FISH HAWKER ELIZTH EVANS 1843 48 TENBY, SOUTH WALES WIFE M THOMAS EVANS 1881 10 SHREWSBURY, SHROPSHIRE SON SCHOLAR MARTHA JONES 1804 87 ALL-STRETTON, SHROPSHIRE LODGER W LIVING ON HER OWN MEANS
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30 Aug 2012 20:52 |
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Again, using FreeBMD and http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd These look likely:
Shropshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1868 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference EVANS William S STEENTON Eliza St George, Shrewsbury Shrewsbury C-S50/2/264
Deaths Dec 1914 (>99%) Evans Eliza 69 Atcham 6a 788
Deaths Mar 1920 (>99%) EVANS William S 75 Atcham 6a 841
1911 England Census Civil parish: Monks Coppenhall County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street Address: 14 Evans Street Coppenhall Crewe Cheshire Registration district: Nantwich Registration District Number: 449 Sub-registration district: Crewe ED, institution, or vessel: 29 Piece: 21781 [Schedule # 174] Henry Evans 37 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Head M Steel Caster Agnes Matilda Evans 31 Newtown, Montgomeryshire, Wales Wife M William Henry Evans 7 Crewe, Cheshire, England Son School Wilfred Evans 2 Crewe, Cheshire, England Son [Years Married: 8; 4 live births, 2 still living]
Marriages Dec 1902 (>99%) Evans Frank Newtown 11b 325 Evans Henry Newtown 11b 325 Griffiths Martha Elizabeth Newtown 11b 325 Roberts Agnes Matilda Newtown 11b 325
North Wales Marriage indexes for the years: 1902 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference EVANS Frank Match Possible Spouses Llanllwchaiarn Powys - Llandrindod Wells CN08/2/183 EVANS Henry Match Possible Spouses Llanllwchaiarn Powys - Llandrindod Wells CN08/2/183 [Unfortunately, the GRO and church rego pages are aligned this quarter] GRIFFITHS Martha Elizabeth Match Possible Spouses Llanllwchaiarn Powys - Llandrindod Wells CN08/2/183 ROBERTS Agnes Matilda Match Possible Spouses Llanllwchaiarn Powys - Llandrindod Wells CN08/2/183
1911 England Census Civil parish: Mortlake County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address: 14 Stanley Road, East Sheen Mortlake, Surrey Registration district: Richmond Registration District Number: 41 Sub-registration district: Mortlake ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Piece: 3616 [Household schedule number: 82] George Evans 31 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Head M Compositor Ellen Clara Evans 30 Waltham Cross, Essex, England Wife M Walter George Evans 8/12 East Sheen, Surrey, England Son [Years Married: 3; 1 live births, 1 still living]
Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%) EVANS George Richmond, S. 2a 1047 HARVEY Ellen Clara Richmond. S. 2a 1047 IRELAND William Richmond, S. 2a 1047 SEARS Stephen John Malling 2a 1047 SUCKLING Gertrude Richmmond, S. 2a 1047
Births Sep 1910 (>99%) EVANS Walter G Richmond, S. 2a 521
1911 England Census Civil parish: Shrewsbury St Mary County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street Address: 20 Queen St, Shrewsbury Registration district: Atcham Registration District Number: 349 Sub-registration district: St Mary ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Piece: 16072 [Household schedule number: 290] Herbert Charles Evans 29 Shrewsbury, Salop, England Head M Carpenter And Joiner Florrie Gertrude Evans 28 Salford, Lancashire, England Wife M Hugh Herbert Evans 2 Shelton, St Julian, Shrewsbury Son [Years Married: 3; 1 live births, 1 still living]
Marriages Dec 1907 (>99%) BOOTH Thomas Salford 8d 27 EATON Florrie Gertrude Salford 8d 27 EVANS Herbert Charles Salford 8d 27 LEESE Ellen Salford 8d 27
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1907 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference EVANS Herbert C EATON Florrie G Broughton St Clements Salford C39/3/424
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