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I appreciate everybodys help. You can see why I was getting muddled,
I can only think there is a misctranscription somewhere in the census
I agree the most plausable theory is Louisa was born a Hargreaves then her father died and her mother remarried a Blunt.
Looks like a dead end to me - sadly.
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Sorry, I keep thinking father Thomas not James! But at least Aussie Louisa is now out of the picture.
Jan
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Sorry to be a party pooper over the Hargreaves connectionson census etc you found but it shows the fathers name as Thomas and on the marriage cert of louisa it says JAMES, so it doesnt match. :-(
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I think we can discount the Luton/Aussie Louisa:
Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
Blunt Louisa Luton 3b 956
Jackson Sidney Frederick H Luton 3b 956
1911 England Census
Name: Louisa Jackson
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Adelaide, Australia
Civil parish: Luton
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 10 Gloucester Road, Luton, Beds
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 10
Estimated Marriage Year: 1901
Occupation: Straw Hat Sewer
Registration district: Luton
Sidney Jackson 34
Louisa Jackson 33
Edith Jackson 2
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This looks like the birth of the Louisa born Australia:
Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name: Louisa Blunt
Birth Date: 7 Aug 1876
Father's Name: William Blunt
Mother's Name: Louisa Rowley
Birth Place: Adelaide
Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 487
Volume Number: 170
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Well, father's name fits but occ cotton spinner:
1871 England Census
Name: Louisa Hargreaves
Age: 1 Month
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Hargreaves
Mother's Name: Frances Hargreaves
Gender: Female
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Little Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Bolton le Moors
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Little Bolton
Thomas Hargreaves 28
Frances Hargreaves 24
William Hargreaves 5
Alfred Hargreaves 3
Louisa Hargreaves 1 Month
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You are right MarieCeleste, but I am blowed if I can find a Louisa Hargreaves or marriage for a Hargreaves/Blunt to fit!!
Best I have come up with:
Births Mar 1871 (>99%)
HARGREAVES Louisa Bolton 8c 360
Jan
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Just a thought - what if Louisa was born a Hargreaves then her father died and her mother remarried a Blunt. Louisa was then known as Blunt and married in that name but her actual father's details were on the cert (just because it didn't say he was deceased didn't mean he was alive, depends how the question was asked).
Might be worth following up, even if to discount....
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Must admit I am stumped. This is the family spotted by Lynn. It's interesting but difficult to see how it might fit in, not least of all because the parents' names are the wrong way round! . Sarah's name was Hargreaves, the marriage was 1872. I can't see them 1881.
1891 England Census
Name: Thomas Hargreaves Blunt
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Jonathan Blunt
Mother's Name: Sarah Blunt
Gender: Male
Where born: Bury, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Heap
Ecclesiastical parish: Birtle St John the Baptist
Town: Fairfield
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: Birtle
Jonathan Blunt 47
Sarah Blunt 51
Annie Blunt 22
Mary Ellen Blunt 21
Thomas Hargreaves Blunt 16
Emma Williams 33
Mary Turner 31
Anne Kennedy 39
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Hi Brummie jam
Louisa Blunt 1877 is residing at 29 fold lane , bolton at the time of marriage. I already did an address search for 1901 and no joy. Her father on the marriage cert defo says James Hargreaves. marriage witnesses are linked to her husbands side of the family not hers.
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Hi Gwyn,
I didnt realise that the term inlaws could be used to mean step.
So do you think the louisa 1877 australia is the same as my louisa 1876 Bolton?
To summerise so i understand right. Are we saying......
Mary b1817, (maiden name?) married (Unknown blunt) and had 3 children called william, thomas and louisa (My louisa snr b1859)
louisa blunt snr 1859 had a child louisa blunt 1977ish....
but. confused how does james hargreaves father of louisa younger come into this when she doesnt have his surname?
Maybe this just isnt my family?
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Did wonder about this, but it's wrong area. Do you have an address for her on the marriage cert, and witnesses' names please?
1881 England Census
Name: Louisa Hargreaves
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Hargreaves
Mother's Name: Ann Hargreaves
Gender: Female
Where born: Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Habergham Eaves
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 9 Cotton Row
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Burnley
Sub-registration district: Burnley
Thomas Hargreaves 46 Colliery manager
Ann Hargreaves 39
Joseph Hargreaves 18
Betsy A. Hargreaves 15
Matilda Hargreaves 10
Tom Hargreaves 6
Louisa Hargreaves 4
Clara Hargreaves
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iN 1891 CENSUS tHERE IS A MISTRANSCRIBED bLUNT DOWN AS BLANT, Thom-as Hargreaves Son Single M 16 1875 ScholaR, Bury, Lancashire. iT HAS THE NAME HARGREAVES BUT NOT THE RIGHT FORENAME jAMES - SO PROB NOT CONNECTED
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Walter PRICE married Mary BLUNT who probably brought children to the marriage.
The term in-laws was used as we we use STEP.
Marriages Mar 1871
Blunt Mary Tunbridge 2a 590 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Cusice Lizzy Tunbridge 2a 590
Cusick Lizzy Tunbridge 2a 590
Fye George Tunbridge 2a 590
Price Walter Samuel Tunbridge 2a 590 <<<<<<<<
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I can only find this Louisa Blunt BUT IS SHE MY ANCESTOR?????
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1881 census
BLUNT, Louisa Head Married F 24 1857 Finisher (Straw Hat), Luton, Bedfordshire
BLUNT, Louisa Daughter Single F 4 1877, Australia
RG number: RG11/ Piece: 1650/ Folio:122/ Page:32/
Reg. District: Luton/ Address: 3, Barbers Lane, Luton/ bedfordshire
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Further searches show that this louisa blunt b1857 married william hawkins in 1889 but is she my ancestor and how does it fit together?
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1891 cenus
HAWKINS, William, Head, Married, M 39,1852,General Labourer, Harpenden, Bedfordshire
HAWKINS, Louisa, Wife, Married, F , 34 , 1857, Straw Hat Sewer, Luton, Bedfordshire
BLUNT, Louisa Daughter, F 14 1877 Errand Girl, South Australia
BLUNT, Edith Daughter, F 8 1883 Scholar, Luton, Bedfordshire
BLUNT, Edward Son, M 6 1885 Scholar, Luton, Bedfordshire
HAWKINS, Gertrude Daughter ,F 0 (1M) 1891 , Luton, Bedfordshire
RG number: RG12/Piece: 1273/Folio: 65/Page: 5 /Reg. District: Luton
Enum. District: 24/ Ecclesiastical District: St Mary City/ Borough: luton
Address: 74, Queen Street, Luton, County: Bedfordshire
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Prior to that in 1871 census louisa blunt b1857 is with a PRICE family????? as the sister in law???? How does it link when she still is called blunt?
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PRICE, Walter S Head M 46 1825 Kent
PRICE, Mary Wife F 54 1817 Sussex
PRICE, Arthur J Son M 13 1858 Kent
PRICE, Alfred B Son M 10 1861 Kent
PRICE, Eliza A Daughter F 7 1864 Kent
BLUNT, William Son-In-Law M 21 1850 Kent
BLUNT, Thomas Son-In-Law M 18 1853 Kent
BLUNT, Louisa E Daughter-In-Law F 12 1859 , Kent
BOXALL, George Lodger M 19 1852 Kent
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I am revisiting an old sticking point re: ancestor Louisa Blunt.
1) I can't track her birth cert which is complicated because her father does not hold the same surname. On her marriage cert in June 1897 to James Thomas Kay in Bolton, she is a spinster aged 21 years - (therefore APPROX BIRTH 1876). Her father is named as JAMES HARGREAVES (occupation collier) and not Blunt. Does this mean that her mother and father were not married?
As a married woman in the 1911/1901 census it says she is born in Bolton, Lancashire.
2) I am uncertain about where she is on the 1891/1881/ census before she married, and whilst i can find only one person called louisa blunt (right age but different birth location which says Australia)- I can't conclude if I am searching her or not. Is the information staring me in the face and I am just not making the connection
3) where is James Hargreaves, the father? (occupation collier) I hoped if i searched the address in the 1901 census at 29 folds lane , bolton, there might be a clue. I just found Albert Lomax the witness to the marriage
I will follow this initial questions with some research I located................
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