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Thank you Sylvia and Reggie, I did send for the birth certificate but like you said the father didn't match up. I've traced a lot of my fathers side of the family but it wasn't until I read an article about the female genome running through daughters that I would have liked to know who my great grandmothers were, unfortunately I don't think I ever will...you are so kind though for your help

IF her middle name was really Ellen ...... there is this bapticm in Manchester . But the father is not William


"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," Martha Ellen Taylor, 1865

Name: Martha Ellen Taylor
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 16 Jul 1865
Baptism/Christening Place: CATHEDRAL, MANCHESTER, LANCASHIRE, ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Samuel Taylor
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Ellen
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C07354-6
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 483180
Reference Number:





but there is also this one .....................


Martha Taylor
England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1865 Manchester,? Lancashire,? England
census: 1881 Broughton,? Lancashire,? England
parents: John Taylor,? Maria





I think you have to get that birth certificate ....... you can order it through the Lancashire bmd site.


I've tried to find it on freebmd, but there are several Martha Taylors born in the Manchester. Didsbury was not a Registration District, and I cannot find which district it would have fallen into,





sylvia

I wonder if she told porkies when she married??


There are 5 Public Family Trees on ancestry for Martha and Frederick Montague


NONE has succeeded in finding her parents.


It is not unknown for illegitimate children to make up a name, or use the name of a grandfather, cousin or other "known" person on their marriage certificate ............. it looks better for the other family



but it makes it really difficult for US!!!



I've been looking, and I cannot see a birth registration that really looks good, other than the one found by Reggis



Like Reggie ........... I suggest that you start by buying that certificate, and see what information you can get from it.





sylvia

Who witnessed the marriage?

If you purchase her birth cert, you'll find out her mother's name

Thank you those who took the trouble to look up; Martha Ellen was my great grandma,I found her marriage certificate, that's how I knew her father's name. I found her on the 91 and 01 census but not on the earlier ones that would link her with the name of her father. Frustrating as I'm keen to trace my female line now that I've got a grandaughter. Once again thanks

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1866

TAYLOR Martha Didsbury Manchester DID/9/38

Where did you pick up the name ELLEN?

Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%)
MONTAGUE Frederick George Bury 8c 652
Taylor Martha Bury 8c 652

Name: Martha Montague
Birth Date: abt 1866
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1935
Age at Death: 69
Registration district: Blackburn
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 567

1881???

1881 England Census
about Martha E. Taylor
Name: Martha E. Taylor
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Bury, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Bury
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 144 Bolton St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: South Bury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3859
Folio: 10
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
John Taylor 24
Sarah A. Taylor 28
William Taylor 26
Albert Taylor 14
>>>>Martha E. Taylor 13
Agnes Pearson 20

Andy

Purely for INFO

1891


Name: Martha Montague
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Fredrick G Montague
Gender: Female
Where born: Didsbury, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Walmersley and Shuttleworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Bury
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Bury
Sub-registration district: Walmersley
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3130
Folio: 86
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Fredrick G Montague 25
Martha Montague 25
James Montague 3
Mary E Montague 1
Louisa Montague 1 Month

Born in Didsbury, Manchester 1866, m. Frederick George Montague at Walmersley, Bury.Can't find her on any of the census returns. Does anyone have any info about her, father wasWilliam Taylor a joiner thanks Linda