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Wondering if anyone can help! I am trying to find a date of birth and/or date of death for my Grandfather John Barton. The information I have so far is: he was married to Margaret Ann Maidstone on 8 June 1907 at the Wesleyan Centenary Chapel, Dover, Kent. I have the marriage certificate which shows he was 26 and his father was William. At the time he was a Corporal in 'The Buffs', stationed at the Citadel Barracks in Dover, Kent. I think he was born in Kent as this seems to be where most of the family are from. In 1914 his son Arthur was born at Shorncliffe Camp, Sandgate, Kent and by this time he was Sergeant in 'The Buffs'. I have checked the 1881 census and 1891 census. There are 2 that could be possibilities but both have the same name father, William! I haven't found him on the 1901 or 1911 census. As I am also not sure of his date of death or where he died, I am struggling with this one! I have tried to find military records but not having much luck with that either! Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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Deaths Dec 1928 (>99%)
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Barton John 47 Dover 2a 1363

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Household transcription
1901 census

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Person: BARTON, John
Institution: Shaft Barracks, Western Heights Dover

BARTON, John Soldier Single M 19 1882 Private 4th Bn Roy Fusiliers
Hoxton, London VIEW

What was his fathers occupation?

Hi jax

Thanks very much for your help, I really appreciate it.

That date of death could be right but not sure about the 1901 census as the regiment is not the right one...he was definitely a corporal and then a sergeant in 'The Buffs'.

Thanks again

Ann :-)

Hi jax

On Johns marriage certificate his fathers occupation is listed as Railway Plate Layer

Household transcription
1901 census

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Person: BARTON, William
Address: 1, Hackney Road, Maidstone

Disability Where born Image
BARTON, William Head Married M 54 1847 Platelayer On Railway
High Halden, Kent VIEW
BARTON, Rachel R Wife Married F 65 1836
? Petter, Suffolk VIEW
BARTON, George Son Single M 18 1883 Farm Laborer
West Farleigh, Kent VIEW
BARTON, Sidney Son Single M 14 1887 Papermaker's Boy
West Farleigh, Kent VIEW
SPARROW, Elizabeth Grand Daughter F 5 1896
Marylebone, London VIEW
SPARROW, Annie R Daughter Married F 37 1864
Olchester, Essex VIEW

This is him as he gives that address above

British Army Service Records 1760-1915
First name(s): John

Last name: BARTON

Calculated year of birth: 1881

Parish of birth: Ringsdwon

Town of birth: Gravesend

County of birth: Kent

Age at attestation: 18 years 4 months

Attestation date: 11 September 1899

Attestation corps: 3RD BN THE BUFFS

Attestation soldier number: 5644

Discharge rank:

Discharge corps: Buffs (East Kent Regiment) - 3rd Foot

Discharge soldier number:

The National Archives reference: WO96 / 32 / 339

There are 4 images available for this soldier

Maybe??

Births Jun 1881 (>99%)
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BARTON John Dartford 2a 463

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1891 census

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Person: BARTON, George
Address: Mill Street, East Malling
BARTON, William Head Married M 44 1847 Agricultural Labourer
High Halden, Kent VIEW
BARTON, Anne Wife Married F 47 1844
Loose, Kent VIEW
BARTON, Joseph Son Single M 21 1870 Agricultural Farm Labourer
Smarden, Kent VIEW
BARTON, Isaac G Son Single M 18 1873 General Labourer
Smarden, Kent VIEW
BARTON, Thomas Son Single M 16 1875 General Labourer
Boughton Monchelsea, Kent VIEW
BARTON, Edwin Son Single M 14 1877 Errand Boy
Stansted, Kent VIEW
BARTON, Henry Son M 11 1880 Scholar
Wrotham, Kent VIEW
BARTON, John Son M 9 1882 Scholar
Wrotham, Kent VIEW
BARTON, Jane Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar
West Farleigh, Kent VIEW
BARTON, George Son M 7 1884 Scholar
West Farleigh, Kent VIEW
BARTON, Robert Son M 3 1888
East Malling, Kent VIEW
BARTON, Alice Granddaughter F 2 1889
East Malling, Kent VIEW

That's brilliant jax, thanks very much. If he was 18 & 4 months when he joined up in September 1899 then his date of birth would be May 1881. You mention that 'there are 4 images available for this soldier' does that mean that there are photos of him or just the records? I have tried to access the National Archives with his name and number but don't seem to be able to find him....what I am doing wrong!!!!

The 1891 census has him with a different wife?? And his military record has him born in Gravesend but you found a birth in June in Dartford??

That was from Find my past the Images are discription of him like hieght build tattoos No photos....I have trouble sending them I'm affraid

That birth seems about the right time but would have thought he would have been registered in Malling but I cannot see anything

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1881 census

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Person: BARTON, Joseph
Address: Holly Hall Cottage, Kingsdown
BARTON, William Head Married M 36 1845 Farm Labourer
High Halden, Kent VIEW
BARTON, Anne Wife Married F 36 1845 Farm Labourers Wife
Loose, Kent VIEW
BARTON, George Hannah Daughter Single F 14 1867 Scholar
Bidenden, Kent VIEW
BARTON, Joseph Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar
Smarden, Kent VIEW
BARTON, Isaac Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar
Smarden, Kent VIEW
BARTON, Thos Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar
Boughton, Kent VIEW
BARTON, Edwin Son Single M 4 1877
Stanstead, Kent VIEW
BARTON, Henry Son Single M 2 1879
Wrotham, Kent VIEW

Piece: 870
Folio: 6
Page: 5
Registration District: Dartford
Civil Parish: Kingsdown
Municipal Borough:
Address: Holly Hall Cottage, Kingsdown
County: Kent

They were living in Dartford just before he was born

on his military records he was born 'Kingsdown', Gravesend - think this was probably Kingsdown, Dartford


Births Jun 1881 (>99%)
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BARTON John Dartford 2a 463

Looks like William did not marry Rachel until 1902

Marriages Mar 1902 (>99%)
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Barton William Maidstone 2a 1231
Williamson Rachel Rebecca L Maidstone 2a 1231

Anns death

Deaths Mar 1892 (>99%)
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Barton Ann Laura 47 Malling 2a 545

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1871 census

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Person: BARTON, William
Address: Monk's Hill Cottages, Smarden

BARTON, William Head M 26 1845 Kent, High Halden VIEW
BARTON, Anne Wife F 26 1845 Kent, Loose VIEW
BARTON, Agnes Daughter F 6 1865 Kent, Loose VIEW
BARTON, Alice Daughter F 4 1867 Kent, Loose VIEW
BARTON, Georgiana H Daughter F 3 1868 Kent, Biddenden VIEW
BARTON, Joseph Son M 1 1870 Kent, Smarden VIEW

Sorry, but I'm a bit confused!

His military attestation showed the address of 1 Hackney Road, Maidstone, the same as the 1901 census, which states his mother as Rachel born 1836, but the 1881 census has his mother as Anne born 1845.

gotta love it when they marry twice!!!

His mother was not Rachel...his mother was Ann

The 1901 census does not include him as he was in the Army but that was the address he gave