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I am looking for information about my maternal great, great great-grandfather, William Cairns born c1808, occupation Carter, died at 6 Robertsons Close, Cowgate, Edinburgh on 25th Nov 1868, married to Margaret Sutherland, born c1816, on 18 April 1839. Can anyone help me find his parents details or any other information about him or his family please?

Russell Taylor

William Cairns
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
spouse: Margaret Sutherland
child: Alexander Sutherland Cairns


name: Alexander Sutherland Cairns
gender: Male
baptism/christening place: SAINT CUTHBERTS, EDINBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
birth date: 13 May 1840
birthplace: Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
father's name: William Cairns
mother's name: Margaret Sutherland
indexing project (batch) number: C11990-5
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1040214

William Cairns
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
spouse: Margaret Sutherland
child: Henry Gray Cairns


name: Henry Gray Cairns
gender: Male
birth date: 20 Aug 1860
birthplace: EDINBURGH PARISH,EDINBURGH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
father's name: William Cairns
mother's name: Margaret Sutherland
indexing project (batch) number: C11685-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

William Cairns
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
spouse: Margaret Sutherland
child: Violet Cairns


name: Violet Cairns
gender: Female
birth date: 29 Sep 1858
birthplace: EDINBURGH PARISH,EDINBURGH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
father's name: William Cairns
mother's name: Margaret Sutherland
indexing project (batch) number: C11685-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

William Cairns
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
spouse: Margaret Sutherland
child: Jane Kirk Cairns


name: Jane Kirk Cairns
gender: Female
birth date: 27 Jan 1856
birthplace: EDINBURGH PARISH,EDINBURGH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
father's name: William Cairns
mother's name: Margaret Sutherland
indexing project (batch) number: C11685-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

Margaret Sutherland
Scotland, Marriages, 1561-1910
marriage: 18 Apr 1839 Saint Cuthberts,?Edinburgh,?Midlothian,?Scotland
parents: Alexander Sutherland
spouse: William Cairns


groom's name: William Cairns
bride's name: Margaret Sutherland
marriage date: 18 Apr 1839
marriage place: Saint Cuthberts,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
bride's father's name: Alexander Sutherland
indexing project (batch) number: M11989-9
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 1066765

Alexander Sutherland
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 24 May 1818
christening: 05 Jun 1818 SAINT CUTHBERTS,? EDINBURGH,? MIDLOTHIAN,? SCOTLAND
residence: 1818 Edinburgh,? Midlothian,? Scotland
parents: Daniel Sutherland,? Jessie Weir


name: Alexander Sutherland
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 05 Jun 1818
baptism/christening place: SAINT CUTHBERTS, EDINBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
birth date: 24 May 1818
father's name: Daniel Sutherland
mother's name: Jessie Weir
indexing project (batch) number: C11987-7
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1066756

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1851:
CAIRNS William Head M M 40 Coal Carter Midlothian - Duddingston
CAIRNS Margaret Wife M F 38 Midlothian - Duddingston
CAIRNS Margaret Dau U F 19 General Servant Midlothian - St Cuthberts
CAIRNS Alexander Son U M 10 Scholar Midlothian - St Cuthberts
CAIRNS Elizabeth Dau U F 9 Scholar Midlothian - St Cuthberts
CAIRNS William Son U M 7 Scholar Midlothian - St Cuthberts
CAIRNS James Son U M 6 Scholar Midlothian - St Cuthberts
CAIRNS Charles Son U M 4 Midlothian - St Cuthberts
CAIRNS Robert Son U M 2 Midlothian - St Cuthberts



Piece: SCT1851/685 Place: St Cuthbert's -Midlothian Enumeration District: 47
Civil Parish: St Cuthberts Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St Cuthberts
Folio: 713 Page: 20 Schedule: 78
Address: 2 Orchardfield St

For ref



1851 census transcription details for: 2, Orchardfield Street, St Cuthbert's
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National Archive Reference:
RG number:
Piece: 685
Folio: 247
Page: 20
Reg. District:
Sub District:
Parish: St Cuthbert's
Enum. District: 47
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 2, Orchardfield Street, St Cuthbert's
County: Midlothian
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CAIRNS, William Head Married M 40 1811 Coal Carter
Dalkeith, Midlothian
CAIRNS, Margaret Wife Married F 38 1813
Dalkeith, Midlothian
CAIRNS, Margaret Daughter Unmarried F 19 1832 General Servant
St Cuthberts, Midlothian
CAIRNS, Alexander Son Unmarried M 10 1841 Scholar
St Cuthberts, Midlothian
CAIRNS, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 9 1842 Scholar
St Cuthberts, Midlothian
CAIRNS, William Son Unmarried M 7 1844 Scholar
St Cuthberts, Midlothian
CAIRNS, James Son Unmarried M 6 1845 Scholar
St Cuthberts, Midlothian
CAIRNS, Charles Son Unmarried M 4 1847
St Cuthberts, Midlothian
CAIRNS, Robert Son Unmarried M 2 1849
St Cuthberts, Midlothian



1841 census transcription details for: Gifford Park Berrys Court, Gifford Park Berrys Court, St Cuthbert's
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National Archive Reference:
RG number:
Piece: 6851
Book/Folio: 53
Page: 3
Reg. District:
Sub District:
Parish: St Cuthbert's
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Gifford Park Berrys Court, Gifford Park Berrys Court, St Cuthbert's
County: Midlothian
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
CAIRNS, William M 30 1811 Carter Midlothian
CAIRNS, Margaret F 20 1821 Midlothian
CAIRNS, Margaret F 7 1834 Midlothian
CAIRNS, Alexander M 1 1840 Midlothian

Daughter Margaret b. 1832 doesn't fit in with an 1839 marriage, maybe William was married twice?

1841
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
CAIRNS William M 30 Carter Midlothian
CAIRNS Margaret F 20 Midlothian
CAIRNS Margaret F 7 Midlothian
CAIRNS Alexander M 1 Midlothian

The age difference between William and wife does suggest a prior marriage.

Thanks to all for the efforts so far.

My William had a son James, born 02.04.1845, and he married Mary Corner on 15 Aug 1873 at 4 Richie Place, Edinburgh. They had a son, James Corner Cains in 1880, and he married Catherine Brown in 1903. If anyone can tell me who the father and mother of William was I would be grateful.

Thanks

Russell

I suggest you get some credits on ScotlandsPeople and buy William's death certificate. This will give you a lot of information including names of parents.

Thanks, I will give this a go, but someone said I would probably need to access Parish Records. How would I go about this?

Russell

Hi

William's death cert "should" have his parents names on as he died in Scotland.

For his baptism etc there are parish records on scotlandspeople which are searchable and viewable online, you'll need to buy credits as unfortunately it doesn't offer subscriptions, that may help with records prior to 1855

however if you find his death cert on that site too Scottish records for marriage and death usually give the names of both parents (if known), plus the certs are viewable online

www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

The marriage certificate pre 1855 (parish register) probably won't give any names other than the couple getting married. Of course you may strike lucky and have other names on it, but this is doubtful.

However, the death certificate would be the one to get especially as you know when and where he died. As Tempest has said, this should have the name of his parents on (if known).

Btw, how do you know exactly when and where he died?

Alviegal,

I got the death details from his death certificate but the parent's details were indistinct on the digital copy I have.

Russell

I've viewed the Death Certificate. The Parents details are non existent. That's not uncommon. His Wife, who reported the death signed with a cross. Also not uncommon. I've done a broad search for his birth in the OPR's and found none in the Midlothian area. Two in Fife and Several on the West Coast. Sorry can't be of more help.

Thanks all again for your considerable efforts. The information I have received is from a distant relative who has a comprehensive tree and his crosses with mine. He says he got the info from the GRO(S), so I thought that it would be available. If anyone else can help I would appreciate it greatly.

Russell Taylor