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Thank you all.

Mike, his daughter Julia is a confirmed ancestor, married George Walsham and he is named Charles Gilbert on the marriage certificate, a watchmaker.

Yes you are right, i do need the certificate to confirm, thanks.

a little more detail for the marriage (St Augustine is Liverpool rather than West Derby)

Marriage: 22 Apr 1839 St Augustine, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Charles Roberts - Full Watch Maker Batchelor of Liverpool
Julia Vincent - Minor Spinster of Everton
Groom's Father: Richard Roberts, Cloth Dealer
Bride's Father: William Vincent, Organ Builder
Witness: Elizabeth Young, (X); Gilbert Ross
Married by Licence by: T Tattershall Minister
Register: Marriage 1837 - 1860, Page 16, Entry 32
Source: LDS Film 1656013

edit - apologies - having checked the LRO catalogue, St Augustine comes under Everton which is classed as West Derby

So .... why do you think he was Charles Gilbert?
The baptism lists Elizabeth not Julia as the mother of the Charles Gilbert baptism

You really need the birth cert to confirm parents.

Is this the one you assume is yours ?

Births Jun 1840
Roberts Charles - W. Derby 20 919

I think the St. peter's church in this respect was located in Church St, Liverpool city Centre

my apologies, my computer crashed, back now.

Mike...the baptism record says he was born 6 Jun 1840.

Reggie, - its a possibility is'nt it?, I did wonder about the census age of Waler and then the baptism....

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Is this your Charles ?
Have you got the certificate ?

Births Mar 1839
Roberts Charles - West Derby 20 835

Baptisms: 16 Aug 1840 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Charles Gilbert Roberts - Child of Charles Roberts & Elizabeth
Abode: Hepworth Street West Derby
Occupation: Watch Maker
Baptised by: J. G. Headlam Curate
Register: Baptisms 1839 - 1840, Page 347, Entry 2769
Source: LDS Film 1656423

Did the first Walter die?

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Walter Arthur Roberts
Name: Walter Arthur Roberts
Birth Date: 28 Dec 1859
Baptism Date: 4 Mar 1860
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
Father's Name: Charles Roberts.......watch maker
Mother's Name: Julia Roberts

It may simply be that the records for the period between 1840 and c1858 have not been transcribed......or were lost/destroyed

Do you know in which area of Liverpool the church was located?

Baptisms: 25 Jul 1858 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Julia Roberts - Child of Charles Roberts & Julia
Born: 4 Jun 1858
Abode: Low Hill
Occupation: Watch Maker <<<<<<<<<
Baptised by: W. R. Duncan, Curate

Is this one of those you found?

Baptisms: 25 Jul 1858 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Julia Roberts - Child of Charles Roberts & Julia
Born: 4 Jun 1858
Abode: Low Hill
Occupation: Watch Maker
Baptised by: W. R. Duncan, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1858, Page 310, Entry 2476
Source: LDS Film 1656561

Thanks got this one ... :-)

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921

Name: Julia Vincent
Age: Minor
Marriage Date: 22 Apr 1839
Parish: Everton St Augustine
Spouse's Name: Charles Roberts
Father's Name: William Vincent
Spouse Father's Name: Richard Roberts

I have Reggie, have been trying this morning for about 2 hours with no luck on these particular entries, but thanks for the tip.

1851 census for INFO


Name: Julia Roberts
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles Roberts
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Tethford, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 1k
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 167
Piece: 2176
Folio: 354
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Roberts 33
Julia Roberts 31
Sarah A Roberts 8
Charles Roberts 10
Richard Roberts 5
Frederick Roberts 3
Walter Roberts 1

Have you tried LancsOPC?

Hi, Can you help or suggest please?

Charles Roberts and Julia Vincent married in St. augustine, West Derby, Liverpool in 1839.

They had 6 known children, Charles Gilbert I think was their son but he is registered under charles and 'Elizabeth' when baptised 16 aug 1840 at St. peter but his father was a watchmaker , as he was later in life.

then comes Sarah ann 1843, Richard 1846, Frederick 1849, no baptisms found...

Then an IGI entry with no church detials for Walter Arthur 1850, son of charles & Julia and then Julia 1858 St. peter daughter of Charles & Julia.

Charles married to Julia was a watchmaker.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to search for these baptisms, I don't know if I have the wrong eldest son or it was mistranscription when his mother was named Elizabeth.

Thank you.