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17 Jul 2012 21:04 |
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First timer on Message Board looking for help and advice please.
I have reached a 'dead-end' on one branch of my Family Tree; 2 x Great Grandfather believed to be Edward Woolmer ?
Only evidence is on London Marriage & Banns Register (1754 - 1921) of his daughter, (paternal Great Grandmother) Mary Jane Woolmer (1881 to 1919) to Thomas William Coomber on 2nd November 1901 at St. Matthias Church, Poplar, London. Occupation of Edward is stated as miner ?
Any help would be greatly appreciated, had a good start to my family history research since starting earlier this year but progress now beginning to slow-up.
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17 Jul 2012 21:10 |
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Have you found Mary Jane on any of the censuses?
Added: 1911 COOMBER, Thomas William Head Married M 34 1877 Railway Porter Poplar London COOMBER, Mary Jane Wife Married9 years F 30 1881 Bletchley Buckinghamshire COOMBER, Elsie Jane Daughter M 8 1903 School Poplar London COOMBER, Winnifred Ada Daughter F 6 1905 Poplar London COOMBER, Harry Brother Single M 40 1871 Night Watchman Poplar London RG number: RG14 Piece: 1692 Reference: RG14PN1692 RG78PN59 RD22 SD2 ED15 SN69 Registration District: Poplar Sub District: Bromley Enumeration District: 15 Parish: Poplar Borough Address: 19 Nairn St Bromley Poplar County: London
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17 Jul 2012 21:20 |
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Have you got this certificate ?
Marriages Dec 1901 Coomber Thomas William - Poplar 1c 1058 WOOLMER Mary Jane - Poplar 1c 1058
Not seeing a birth for Mary Jane Woolmer,
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17 Jul 2012 21:23 |
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Hi Patchem, Thanks for the reply, yes I have found Mary Jane on the following; 1901 Census, 1911 Census, Marriage Register & 1918 London Electoral Register - but only mention of her father Edward Woolmer is in the Marriage Register.
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17 Jul 2012 21:25 |
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1901 ?
Name: Mary Woolmer Gender: Female Age: 19 Relationship to Head of Household: Servant Birthplace: Buckingham Record Type: Household Registration District: Poplar Sub-district: Poplar Ecclesiastical Parish: All Saint'S Civil Parish: Poplar County: London, Middlesex
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17 Jul 2012 21:29 |
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Hi Mike, Yes, got the Marriage details but I also cannot find birth record for Mary Jane Woolmer - Census returns state she was born in Bletchley, Buckinghamshire ?
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17 Jul 2012 21:31 |
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Wonder if this is her brother and the father's name is actually Edmund ????
Name: Albert Edward Charles Woolmer Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 25 Mar 1883 Baptism/Christening Place: Bletchley, Buckingham, England : Father's Name: Edmund Woolmer Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Esther
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17 Jul 2012 21:37 |
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Marriages Jun 1879 Betts Esther - Newport Pagnell 3a 769 WOLLMER Edmund - Newport P. 3a 769
Found her I think... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1880 WOLLMER Mary Jane - Newport P. 3a 605
Newport Pagnell covers Bletchley
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17 Jul 2012 21:45 |
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Thanks Mike, sounds like a good lead for me to follow-up, was always concerned about possible spelling anomalies with the surname, had not considered alternative first names.
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17 Jul 2012 21:51 |
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Mary Jane born 1880 so she should be on 1881 census.
Nearest I can find....
Mary Jane Wollence Age: 0 Gender: Female Birth Year: 1881 Birthplace: Bletchley, Buckinghamshire, England Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Marital Condition: Single Profession/Occupation: Address: In The Village Census Place: Bletchley, Buckinghamshire, England Head Edmond Wollence M 32 Bletchley, Buckinghamshire, England Wife Esther Wollence F 29 Watereaton, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Mary Jane Wollence F 0 Bletchley, Buckinghamshire, England
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17 Jul 2012 21:54 |
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Thanks again Mike, this is more than I was hoping for, much appreciated. Wrong first name and changes to the spelling of the surname, written as it was spoken at the time perhaps ? I am sure that these leads will set me on the right track to gather more details.
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17 Jul 2012 21:56 |
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1881?
1881 England Census about Mary Jane Wollence Name: Mary Jane Wollence Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Edmond Wollence Mother's name: Esther Wollence Gender: Female Where born: Bletchley, Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: Bletchley County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street Address: In The Village Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Newport Pagnell Sub-registration district: Fenny Stratford ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1479 Folio: 6 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Edmond Wollence 32 Esther Wollence 29 Mary Jane Wollence Andy
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17 Jul 2012 21:56 |
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Mother's birth details match with ..
Births Jun 1851 Betts Esther - Newport P 6 414
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and this looks like father
Births Jun 1848 WOLLMER Edmund - Newport Pagl 6 381
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17 Jul 2012 22:00 |
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Posible for Edmind 1861
His mother is Ann
1861 England Census about Edmund Woolmer Name: Edmund Woolmer Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: Bletchley, Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: Bletchley County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Newport Pagnell Sub-registration district: Fenny Stratford ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 74 Piece: 871 Folio: 96 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Martha Chilton 52 Sarah Chilton 23 Ann Woolmer 49 Sister (to head) pauper, widow Ellen Woolmer 11 niece and nephews Sarah Woolmer 8 Edmund Woolmer 12
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17 Jul 2012 22:02 |
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and 1851
1851 England Census about Edmund Woolmer Name: Edmund Woolmer Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Son Father's Name: Samuel Woolmer Mother's name: Ann Woolmer Gender: M (Male) Where born: Bletchley, Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: Stevenage County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image Registration district: Hitchin Sub-registration district: Baldock ED, institution, or vessel: 12a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 27 Piece: 1709 Folio: 214 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age Samuel Woolmer 39 Ann Woolmer 39 Thomas Hickmoth 9 Edmund Woolmer 2 Ellen Woolmer 1
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17 Jul 2012 22:03 |
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Mary Jane Wollmer Gender: Female Baptism/Christening Date: 25 Dec 1880 Baptism/Christening Place: Bletchley, Buckingham, England : Father's Name: Edmund Wollmer : Mother's Name: Esther ---------------
siblings ...
Sarah Ellen Wollmer Gender: Female Baptism/Christening Date: 15 Sep 1893 Baptism/Christening Place: Bletchley, Buckingham, England ----------------------------
Arthur William Wollmer Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 15 Sep 1893 Baptism/Christening Place: Bletchley, Buckingham, England
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Name: Albert Edward Charles Woolmer Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 25 Mar 1883 Baptism/Christening Place: Bletchley, Buckingham, England
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17 Jul 2012 22:04 |
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Wow, thanks guys, lots to go on here, it all seems to add-up. Lessons learnt for me, don't stick rigidly to the spelling of names !
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