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McMeekin / Stagg - help with Canadian records ?

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Andrea

Andrea Report 12 Jul 2012 19:17

Hi

I am turning to you wonderful people again in the hope you can help me find some relations of my father.

AGNES ORR McMEEKIN was born in Greenock, Scotland on March 13th 1911 to parents Peter McMeekin and Margaret Boyle Leith.

(Her sister Margaret Lilian McMeekin is my paternal grandmother)

She emigrated with her father to Montreal, Canada in May 1924. (Her sister and step-mother, Marion McMeekin follow in July).

I have recently discovered she married a man named GEORGE J.A. STAGG possibly around June 1935 in Hamilton, Ontario.

I found a passenger list departing from New York with a George Stagg & Agnes Stagg - arriving in Liverpool on Feb 3 1936, with Portsmouth as the destination. Agnes' age is correct to her birth certificate as is the previous country of residence.

Assuming that information is correct and said George is correct and listed as in the Navy , I then managed to find some passenger lists for George (possibly George James A Stagg) showing he served on HMS Vernon stationed at Portsmouth.

However, I cannot find anything for either of them after the arrival on Feb 3rd at Liverpool.

I'd love to know if they eventually settled in the UK or whether they returned to Canada.

I also am at a loss for her father PETER McMEEKIN (born 24 Nov 1879, Dalrymple, Ayrshire) . His last known address was 14 Duke Street, Hamilton, Ontario. (Wife-Marion) I also have some information that shows he worked as a salesman/clerk for The Ross Company on the main street in downtown Welland.

I am looking for information as to his date of death or indeed, whether he also remained in Canada or even returned to the UK.

I would be grateful for any help you can give me.

Andrea

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BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 12 Jul 2012 20:16

This could be just a big coincidence and doesn't answer your immediate question, but a George J.A. Stagg born 1907 sailed to Brisbane, Australia from London in 1923.

Andrea

Andrea Report 12 Jul 2012 20:20

Thanks - will check that out :)

cupcakes

cupcakes Report 13 Jul 2012 07:51

Death....Queensland

1962/C6129

George John Allan Stagg

F: George John Allan

M: Mary Canon

cupcakes

cupcakes Report 13 Jul 2012 08:00

Passenger
FAMILY NAME: STAGG,
Given names: George
Ship/aircraft name: BENDIGO
Port of embarkation: London
Port of disembarkation Sydney
Date of arrival 24 Mar 1923
Barcode no 30151500

NO AGNES....if it is him?

Ivy

Ivy Report 13 Jul 2012 08:14

Find My Past has
- Agnes V Stagg (image appears to be Agnes O Stagg)
- leaving Southampton
- in March 1937
- bound for Halifax in Canada
- first calling at New York
- on the Alaunia.

She declares that she is a resident of "other parts of the Empire" (being other than the British Isles), and is intending her future residence to be Canada.

Her last address in England just before she departed is given, but is tricky to read - perhaps (Pickfords?), 371 High Street (Rochester?) - but the address of the next passenger may be Thos Cook & Sons, London, so perhaps these are just convenient contact addresses.

Ivy

Ivy Report 13 Jul 2012 08:35

Ancestry records of arrivals in the UK in 1936 confirm the details you gave above for George and Agnes (George age 29, so born approximately 1907); intended address in England to be HMS Vernon, Portsmouth.

George's occupation is given as R C Navy (Royal Canadian Navy?)

Wikipedia gives further information about HMS Vernon between the wars - it seems to have been a permanent onshore research/workshop establishment:

"On 1 October 1923 Vernon was moved ashore and new departments were set up to cover aspects of maritime warfare, such as mining, torpedoes and electrical equipment. The names of the original hulks that made up the floating Vernon were used for buildings in the base......

Portsmouth suffered heavy air raids during the war, with Vernon being hit several times. One bomb demolished Dido Building and killed 100 people. Subsequently, sections of Vernon were dispersed to quieter areas. On 3 May 1941 most departments of Vernon were moved to Roedean School at Brighton, which was known as HMS Vernon(R), whilst other elements were relocated elsewhere on the south coast and further away."

Ivy

Ivy Report 13 Jul 2012 08:37

Googling for George J A Stagg identifies a funeral director's listing in Vancouver, stating only:

George J.A. Stagg

December 23, 2003

Ivy

Ivy Report 13 Jul 2012 08:58

You mention that your George Stagg may be George James A Stagg; if so, that would distinguish him from the George John Alan Stagg born in Birmingham (England) to George and Mary Stagg, who is in Birmingham in 1911:

Name: George John Alan Stagg
Age in 1911: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1908
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: 54 Whitacre Road Birmingham
Registration district: Aston
Registration District Number: 385
Sub-registration district: Erdinton
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Piece: 18356
Household Members:
Name Age
George Stagg 32
Mary Ellen Stagg 26
George John Alan Stagg 3
Ellen Frances Stagg 2
Doris Lilian Stagg 7/12

and who, as noted by Cupcakes, travelled to Brisbane in 1923, intending Australia to be his future residence, as a 16 year old assembler whose last address in England was at Perry Barr (in Birmingham).

Ivy

Ivy Report 13 Jul 2012 09:09

There is a George James A Stagg on Ancestry arrivals in the UK in 1931.

Details:
- from St John New Brunswick
- to Liverpool
- on the ship Montrose (Canadian Pacific)
- seaman
- proposed address in the UK HMS Vernon, Portsmouth
- age 25
- listed as a British national
- country of last permanent residence Canada
- country of intended future permanent residence England

(Edit: and practically identical personal details for an arrival in August 1927, but I cannot locate matching records on FindMyPast for departures from the UK)

Ancestry also has a record of Gerge James Stagg arriving in Quebec, but I do not hold worldwide membership, so cannot give you any further details.

It might be an idea to edit your first post to show that you need help with Canadian records?

Andrea

Andrea Report 13 Jul 2012 12:40

Thanks for the info - it seems there are a couple of eligible George Staggs. I am leaning more towards the naval George though purely because of the list showing this George with an Agnes of the correct age and with the Canadian link.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 13 Jul 2012 12:51

The George James Stagg arriving in Quebec in 1926 was aged 20, born Freeman, Ontario, Canada and was returning to rejoin R.C.Navy.

mgnv

mgnv Report 13 Jul 2012 20:29

1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Ontario / Halton / 30 Burlington / page 15-16
48 179 Stagg George M Head M Aug 1865 45
49 179 Stagg Ann F Wife M Jul 1868 42
50 179 Stagg Charles M Son S Oct 1897 13
1 179 Stagg Arthur M Son S Nov 1900 10
2 179 Stagg Eric M Son S Apr 1904 7
3 179 Stagg George M Son S Mar 1906 5
4 179 Stagg Grace F Daughter S Aug 1908 2

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001990541.pdf
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001990542.pdf
[addy=Locust St, Burlington - Locust & Ontario is just behind the City Hall - Freeman is now a suburb 2km to NW]

Andrea

Andrea Report 13 Jul 2012 21:02

Thanks - I'm guessing nobody is having much luck with Agnes though ?

mgnv

mgnv Report 14 Jul 2012 01:52

Assuming Montreal was just her port of entry, and she carried on to Ontario, then you start running into Ontario`s closure periods on BMDs of 97/82/70 y
(strictly deaths are not closed, but no index is published for 70 y).
Ancestry has ON marrs to 1928. By now, 1929 are released, but I don`t know if they`re indexed yet by the Archives of Ontario.

Ivy

Ivy Report 14 Jul 2012 10:34

From the 1911 census posted by mgnv, it looks as if there was an older brother Eric. Googling for the name Eric Stagg Canada provided some info (website see below), which has an address and phone number for an Eric Stagg - unlikely to be the one on the census, but perhaps a nephew of George since the address is in Ontario.

Perhaps worth following up if you are looking for living relatives?

Website address:

http://www.locatefamily.com/S/Spinkova_to_Stanoaia/Stafford-Brown_to_Stainback/Stagg/Stagg_Eric_on4090952.html

- and as tinyurl:

http://tinyurl.com/888dyfc

- and as preview:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/888dyfc

Ivy

Ivy Report 14 Jul 2012 10:37

I wonder if Agnes was travelling back to Canada in 1937 because she was due to have a child and wanted the child to be born in Canda?